Proposal for the AGM
Proposal for the AGM
I have notice of a grading-related agenda item for next month's AGM. The meeting will be asked to endorse a proposal from the Manager of Grading & Rating that the grading of overseas games be discontinued following the publication of the January 2013 grading list. Chris Majer is preparing a paper on the subject, which will be uploaded to the ECF website as soon as it is available (probably in a week's time).
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That was, perhaps still is, a key benefit when membership was voluntary.John Philpott wrote: The meeting will be asked to endorse a proposal from the Manager of Grading & Rating that the grading of overseas games be discontinued following the publication of the January 2013 grading list.
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Excellent. I was going to write in my election "manifesto" that I thought this would be a good idea. Glad that the Manager of Grading agrees with me!John Philpott wrote:I have notice of a grading-related agenda item for next month's AGM. The meeting will be asked to endorse a proposal from the Manager of Grading & Rating that the grading of overseas games be discontinued following the publication of the January 2013 grading list. Chris Majer is preparing a paper on the subject, which will be uploaded to the ECF website as soon as it is available (probably in a week's time).
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Why? What's the rationale?Alex Holowczak wrote:Excellent. I was going to write in my election "manifesto" that I thought this would be a good idea.
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I think the ECF grading system should be for events that comply with ECF funding rules, and are held in the area covered by the ECF.Sean Hewitt wrote:Why? What's the rationale?Alex Holowczak wrote:Excellent. I was going to write in my election "manifesto" that I thought this would be a good idea.
I'm not convinced that grading games in tournaments where a player plays only players who are ungraded (i.e. overseas players) improves the accuracy of the system. The players are treated as a conversion of their FIDE rating for this purpose. I assume the whole reason Chris is writing a paper is that he has some statistics to show that this hinders the accuracy of the system.
I was going to say that I wanted Chris to investigate whether or not this process helped or hindered the accuracy of the system. If he's writing a paper on it, I assume he's already done this research, and the conclusion he's reached is that it hinders.
Perhaps I should have waited until seeing his paper before declaring unilateral support for it though!
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It's not necessarily about accuracy as the number of games involved is small. It is about offering a service to members wanting to have their international performances included with their domestic grade. This is a feature of both the Scots and Welsh systems. It's also a feature of some of the European systems. The chess-results.com service used for the Olympiad and other FIDE events doubles up as the data service for Austrian domestic rating. I found I was on it for one game played against an Austrian in Hastings, and the only Hastings results were the nine games played by the player in question.Alex Holowczak wrote: I'm not convinced that grading games in tournaments where a player plays only players who are ungraded (i.e. overseas players) improves the accuracy of the system. The players are treated as a conversion of their FIDE rating for this purpose.
You also have to consider the future of grading games played in Welsh congresses and Guernsey.
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I play at Guernsey and have not wanted the games graded for the reason that they're played in a different Federation (and you play a lot of people with ratings that are dubious - I have a long list of games played against Dutchmen rated 1800!)
But a lot of the players there feel differently and got annoyed when the games weren't graded one year. I am definitely in the minority.
But a lot of the players there feel differently and got annoyed when the games weren't graded one year. I am definitely in the minority.
"Kevin was the arbiter and was very patient. " Nick Grey
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Guernsey was graded last year, although they don't feature in the list of organisations with a vote on the ECF Council. One supposes that either they have a special status, aka secret deal, or it's done through some other organisation. Welsh events don't seem to be graded any more as part of ECF grading.Kevin Thurlow wrote: But a lot of the players there feel differently and got annoyed when the games weren't graded one year. I am definitely in the minority.
What is the position this year? I don't believe they impose any membership requirements on players who aren't GCI?
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Earlier this year Adam Raoof agreed that Guernsey could again be ECF graded.
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On what terms might we enquire? I ask because I asked if the e2e4 Dublin International could be graded. Adam, on this very forum, said no. It wasn't a big deal, but this seems like double standards.David Sedgwick wrote:Earlier this year Adam Raoof agreed that Guernsey could again be ECF graded.
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I suppose you could enquire if you made him a cup of tea, or bought him a drink.Sean Hewitt wrote:On what terms might we enquire?
Don't worry, I'll see myself out.
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Elizabeth II is Duke of Normandy but not Queen of IrelandSean Hewitt wrote:On what terms might we enquire? I ask because I asked if the e2e4 Dublin International could be graded. Adam, on this very forum, said no. It wasn't a big deal, but this seems like double standards.David Sedgwick wrote:Earlier this year Adam Raoof agreed that Guernsey could again be ECF graded.
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Excellent. I look forward to our grading games played in Australia then.Tim Spanton wrote:Elizabeth II is Duke of Normandy but not Queen of IrelandSean Hewitt wrote:On what terms might we enquire? I ask because I asked if the e2e4 Dublin International could be graded. Adam, on this very forum, said no. It wasn't a big deal, but this seems like double standards.David Sedgwick wrote:Earlier this year Adam Raoof agreed that Guernsey could again be ECF graded.
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