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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby NickFaulks » Tue May 16, 2017 2:06 pm

Angus French wrote: the 2017 General Assembly meetings (whenever in 2017 they take place).

That is now known, it's 7th to 15th October, so a direct clash with the ECF AGM. When the ECF took its decision this was known to be likely but officially unconfirmed, so they can't be blamed.

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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby David Sedgwick » Tue May 16, 2017 2:18 pm

Angus French wrote:Presumably the 2016 accounts will be published for the 2017 General Assembly meetings (whenever in 2017 they take place)

Please see http://www.fide.com/component/content/a ... gress.html for a recent announcement about the dates and venue of the FIDE Congress 2017.

The General Assembly does not meet in the odd numbered years. Its powers and duties are assumed by the Executive Board.

Edit: beaten by Nick.

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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby Chris Rice » Tue May 16, 2017 2:31 pm

Angus French wrote:Chris, it looks to me as thoughthe 2015 accounts are the latest. These were published for the General Assembly meetings at Baku in 2016. Presumably the 2016 accounts will be published for the 2017 General Assembly meetings (whenever in 2017 they take place). The FIDE-Agon agreement came into effect in early 2012 so I'd guess that payments from Agon ought to be reflected in FIDE's accounts from 2012 onwards.


Perhaps I should have made it clearer that its the period that Merenzon has been the CEO and not when Andrew Paulson was that I'm interested in. Though even here I, like Roger, can't see where they paid any money to FIDE. The only line items for AGON for 2013 (which would have covered the 2012 Candidates) are where FIDE paid CHF 17,697 in expenses to AGON and 2014 where FIDE paid AGON CHF1,785 in expenses. Previously, I discussed the matter directly with Andrew Paulson who always maintained there was an understanding that FIDE wouldn't ask for the terms of the agreement to be honoured until some actual money was made by AGON. He reckoned he lost quite a bit of his own money, which I don't doubt, before he decided to dump the whole project which Merenzon clearly picked up with the promise that he wouldn't have to pay FIDE either until he was in profit. At the time, Andrew Paulson, wouldn't tell me exactly who he agreed it with but presumably, as Roger hints, it was more than likely, Kirsan with the tacit agreement of the PB. It'll be interesting to see when the latest set of audited accounts are published exactly what the situation is with regard to the AGON arrears.

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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby JustinHorton » Tue May 16, 2017 7:39 pm

Chris Rice wrote:Apparently the Cassation Court in Moscow are ruling today on the broadcasting rights issue.


Well it's past half-nine already in Moscow.....
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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby JustinHorton » Tue May 16, 2017 8:46 pm

Decision postponed for two weeks.
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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby Angus French » Wed May 17, 2017 3:07 pm

Chris Rice wrote:Perhaps I should have made it clearer that its the period that Merenzon has been the CEO and not when Andrew Paulson was that I'm interested in.

Though what you wrote was "Andrew Paulson who in turn got the marketing rights in a grubby little deal with FIDE".

Chris Rice wrote:Though even here I, like Roger, can't see where they paid any money to FIDE. The only line items for AGON for 2013 (which would have covered the 2012 Candidates) are where FIDE paid CHF 17,697 in expenses to AGON and 2014 where FIDE paid AGON CHF1,785 in expenses.

The link is the accounts for 2012 and not, as the label states, 2013. The 2013 accounts, which can be found here, show prize money income from the Candidates of 102,000 EUR.

Chris Rice wrote:Previously, I discussed the matter directly with Andrew Paulson who always maintained there was an understanding that FIDE wouldn't ask for the terms of the agreement to be honoured until some actual money was made by AGON.

While I recall FIDE exempting Agon from an initial payment as a Grand Prix event was switched to London at short notice (resulting in extra expenses for Agon), I don't recall anything beyond that. If anything had been agreed beyond that it would presumably be a matter of public record and would be apparent in published accounts. FIDE's published accounts *do* show prize money income from the events which Agon were contracted to organise.

Chris Rice wrote:He [Andrew Paulson] reckoned he lost quite a bit of his own money, which I don't doubt, before he decided to dump the whole project which Merenzon clearly picked up with the promise that he wouldn't have to pay FIDE either until he was in profit.

Do you have any evidence for the last part of this or is it just speculation? What about, for example, the prize money income from the 2014 World Championship match which shows as 251,640 EUR in FIDE's 2014 accounts?

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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby Chris Rice » Wed May 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Angus French wrote:
Chris Rice wrote:Perhaps I should have made it clearer that its the period that Merenzon has been the CEO and not when Andrew Paulson was that I'm interested in.

Though what you wrote was "Andrew Paulson who in turn got the marketing rights in a grubby little deal with FIDE".

Indeed, that was why I made it clearer. Regarding the other matters I was referring to the accounts published in 2013 covering the 2012 period. We may be splitting hairs on that one. The substance is that you refer to prize money for the Candidates itemised in the 2013/2014 accounts but exactly where that money came from or how it was calculated is not detailed in either set of accounts or explained in the notes to the accounts and additionally it refers to Candidates matches which is odd. I'm sure its some sponsors money but whether it can be attributed to AGON is not that clear to me. You also say any understanding not to chase AGON for arrears until they make some money would be a matter of public record but I don't see why it should be.

We have no evidence of whether AGON have paid anything to FIDE. Maybe they have, maybe they haven't. The FIDE accounts don't make it any clearer, except perhaps to show that FIDE have made payments to AGON. What we do is that they have (or had) arrears as stated in the PR statement from the 1st PB meeting of this year.

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Re: New broadcast model for World Championship Match

Postby Chris Rice » Thu May 18, 2017 6:37 am

A five minute Youtube video from Malcolm Pein published on Jun 11, 2016 explaining why GCT's video broadcasts and chess moves are shared without cost to chess websites. As Mark Crowther/TWIC retweeted Kingpins tweet "A succinct and compelling demolition of Agon's misguided business model".


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