NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

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David Gilbert
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NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby David Gilbert » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:44 am

The Battersea Chess Club website is reporting a new (comparatively salubrious) venue for Wednesday night chess in the London League. Parker, fetch the the tea please.

https://www.batterseachessclub.org.uk/n ... -free-tea/

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Angus French » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:08 pm

... with the charge to clubs rising from £2.30 a board to £3.50.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby IanCalvert » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:17 pm

Apologies for my ignorance as a simple LL player but why was this cunning plan needed?

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Richard Bates » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:32 pm

Because the London League would struggle to exist without a venue.

And what Stewart said ;)
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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Stewart Reuben » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:41 pm

Ian, Golden Lane is being redeveloped and relatively few clubs have their own premises. They have had gret difficulty finding a suitable place.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Nick Grey » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:47 pm

Well done in finding a venue.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby NickFaulks » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:06 pm

Angus French wrote:... with the charge to clubs rising from £2.30 a board to £3.50.

However it's within a five minute walk of two Wetherspoons, so anyone intending to have a pint afterwards will get their money back straight away.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Gavin Hughes » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:04 pm

You could always ask for this tea: http://allaboutbeer.com/news/green-tea-ipa/

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Angus French » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:29 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Angus French wrote:... with the charge to clubs rising from £2.30 a board to £3.50.

However it's within a five minute walk of two Wetherspoons, so anyone intending to have a pint afterwards will get their money back straight away.

Good point.

Though I'm just a bit concerned that my club's subs are going to have to increase by quite a bit this season - due also to a change of our own venue and a rental hike - and that might discourage people from joining and playing for us.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Adam Raoof » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:06 pm

this looks like a nice venue - it is more likely to attract players to the LL

what we need now is DGT clocks and Fischer timings...

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby NickFaulks » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:09 pm

Adam Raoof wrote:this looks like a nice venue - it is more likely to attract players to the LL

what we need now is DGT clocks and Fischer timings...

and flying pigs.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Stewart Reuben » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:52 am

Do you think they might now break down and have an arbiter each Wednesday? Oops, what am I thinking of? That might cost a few shillings.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby NickFaulks » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:58 am

Stewart Reuben wrote:Do you think they might now break down and have an arbiter each Wednesday?

Then we could have all the fun of Guideline III.5.

That is in my opinion the strongest argument for not having an arbiter. Without one the sensible III.6 can be applied.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:01 am

NickFaulks wrote:Then we could have all the fun of Guideline III, III.5 ( strange numbering, I know ).

That is in my opinion the strongest argument for not having an arbiter. Without one the sensible III.6 can be applied.


10.2 or Appendix G for those of us thinking still in old money

III.5 wrote:If Article III.4 does not apply and the player having the move has less than two minutes left on his clock, he may claim a draw before his flag falls. He shall summon the arbiter and may stop the chessclock (see Article 6.12.2). He may claim on the basis that his opponent cannot win by normal means, and/or that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means:

III.5.1 If the arbiter agrees that the opponent cannot win by normal means, or that the opponent has been making no effort to win the game by normal means, he shall declare the game drawn. Otherwise he shall postpone his decision or reject the claim.

III.5.2 If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra minutes and the game shall continue, if possible, in the presence of an arbiter. The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or as soon as possible after the flag of either player has fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the opponent of the player whose flag has fallen cannot win by normal means, or that he was not making sufficient attempts to win by normal means.

III.5.3 If the arbiter has rejected the claim, the opponent shall be awarded two extra minutes.


III.6 wrote:The following shall apply when the competition is not supervised by an arbiter:

III.6.1 A player may claim a draw when he has less than two minutes left on his clock and before his flag falls. This concludes the game. He may claim on the basis:

III.6.1.1 that his opponent cannot win by normal means, and/or

III.6.1.2 that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means.

In III.6.1.1 the player must write down the final position and his opponent must verify it.

In III.6.1.2 the player must write down the final position and submit an up-to-date scoresheet. The opponent shall verify both the scoresheet and the final position.

III.6.2 The claim shall be referred to the designated arbiter.


I've never been happy with the interpretation some UK arbiters appear to place on the final paragraph of 5.2 "that he was not making sufficient attempts to win by normal means" gives them the right to pass judgement on the quality of play. I therefore disagree with the notion that a player unable to immediately win with King and Rook against King should not be allowed the fifty moves allowed by the Laws of Chess to figure it out. Similarly with more complex positions. You might try an idea, realise it doesn't work. return to an earlier position and try something else. Again you don't want an arbiter interfering.

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Re: NEW LONDON LEAGUE VENUE

Postby Mike Gunn » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:18 am

In my experience any player who doesn't know how to mate with King and Rook against King is unlikely to find the method by randomly trying different approaches in less than 2 minutes! In fact the advice given to Arbiters is to (normally) let play continue until the flag falls. If the flag falls and you are using 10.2/ G5/6 then the outcome of the game is bound to be rather arbitrary. If you don't like this then get your league to buy some digital clocks!


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