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It's called justice and it's time that those on this forum whose idea of justice is "I've done some analysis which I know is wonderful so therefore you are guilty and that's that" were made to realise that this is unethical, immoral and probably libellous. It's non negotiable. Exactly right. Pointi...

JustinHorton wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Are you really sure you want to counterpose the rights of accused people to the rights of victims? That tends to take us to bad places.

I want to highlight that the balance of concern seems to lean heavily towards the rights of those extremely likely to have cheated.

Whether or not to protect the rights and sensibilities of those accused seems to be splitting the forum. How about the victims? They get very little airtime on this forum. I absolutely agree with this. The cheat ruins the tournament for each one of his opponents. There are pages and pages of discus...

Indeed so where such an authority has standards and responsibilities (including the duty of giving both sides an opportunity to make their case including presenting expert witnesses, subject to cross-examination, representation for the parties and a right of appeal to a higher court). All things mi...

Nevertheless, in the interests of the right to self defence, I have taken steps to inform your opponent of what is happening here. That's great, I will be fascinated to hear how in the following 4th round game he managed to achieve the following:- 12 moves of theory, followed by out of the remainin...

Alan Walton wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:26 pm

But if all you are saying, player x has had his account suspended on chess site y for assistance, and player x name/handle is publicly available online elsewhere; then all you are doing is stating known facts, is this libelous to name on a forum?

Definitely not.

So, anyone wanting to accuse 76-year-olds or others of cheating needs to be sure they have convincing analysis in case they too are referred to FIDE. The fact that someone may have been flagged by Lichess isn't, in my view, likely to be useful as evidence since Lichess don't offer reasons. In fact,...

In many ways I consider the kids victims of this issue, but I appreciate many would not agree. Young people are more susceptible to being persuaded into using assistance. I don't think the stigma should stay with them, they need a way back into chess as long as they and their parents accept that ru...

Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:15 pm

If you go solely with the results at the chess-results site, Joe Bloggs is still shown as being in one of the prize winning places, so hasn't been removed from the tournament.

Are 4ncl notified by Lichess when an account is flagged?

Adam Raoof wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:04 pm

I dont really believe in naming or shaming. Especially kids.

Why?

Why would anyone mind naming names? It's not an accusation, it's just a statement of fact. Joe Bloggs enters tournament under stated conditions, they were then removed from tournament after the server closed their account.

A very strange game by Black - from where did he get 7... Qd5? (Obviously not an engine.) Between there and your 21.Nf5? (Pf4 retains the advantage) Black was just about hanging on and it looked like he would soon lose. (Can you point to where you "reach a +5 position", please?) Exactly at that poi...

Mick Norris wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:32 pm

Any reason why fingers shouldn't be pointed?

Agreed. It's bizarre to protect the identity of flagged users.

I played in round 1 on Friday evening. I recently had an operation and have been taking Codeine all week, which makes you somewhat drowsy. I almost withdrew, but thought I would play round 1 and see how it went. I was paired with Derek Simpson who is 130ecf / 1630 Fide. I proceeded to reach a +5 pos...

The game was Nakamura - Giri in the 2012 Fide GP in London. Nakamura found the beautiful and simple 47.g5! hxg5 48.h6 gxh6 49.Rxe5! fxe5 50.f6 when the f-pawn can't be stopped. r3k3/1p6/1Bb1BP1p/P1p1p1p1/2Pp4/3P4/5K2/8 b q - 0 4 after 50..Bd7 51.f7+ Ke7 52.Bxd7 Kxd7 53.Bxc5 the endgame is winning an...