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by Robin Nandi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:33 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

Lots of denial on here ...as in other parts of our chess community ...I would say 93% 'hit' rate for a casual sleuth is fairly successful ...not 'proud' but these cheats need rooting out or online chess competitively remains tainted...and yes some players on both main platforms(including an old col...
by Robin Nandi
Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:27 am
Using computer assistance for puzzle chess is an offence?
Yes. It is forbidden in the same way as using computer assistance in a blitz game.
by Robin Nandi
Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:06 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

I mentioned this before but on lichess, if you lose to somebody who is later disqualified, you only get back a proportion of the points you lost to them, so this gambit may not succeed in all arenas Does anyone care about lichess rating points anyway? If so, why? I do. Because I'm trying to improve...
by Robin Nandi
Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:58 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

I compiled some engine matching statistics for the recent 4NCL Online Congress. These are based on the pgn download of the games from chess-results and engine analysis on lichess. Engine matching stats for top 10 finishers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uMmJof0ubW4s3aPd9qiPyXn-Q9AjhfwhY6MU...
by Robin Nandi
Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

Wadih, great posts. Thanks for the info.

I like the combination of screenshare, webcam and pgn review. I think this would significantly reduce the level of opportunist cheating.
by Robin Nandi
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

If we lived in CorrputCountryLand where money laundering was fairly commonplace, it might be a good idea to have an Anti Money Laundering authority to which such evidence could be presented. Also it might be worth having some automated checks on transactions to flag them as "suspicious" to the Anti...
by Robin Nandi
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:52 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

Suppose you had evidence that there was money laundering going on at a major bank. It's not conclusive, but it looks pretty damning. Would you publish it? I would. Fine, Robin - I assume that either [1] you are so rich that you can comfortably afford the cost of defending a defamation case in the H...
by Robin Nandi
Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:20 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

You can however just present the facts without stating a conclusion. You can, but you will be inviting other people to draw such an inference Good. That is the objective after all! Suppose you had evidence that there was money laundering going on at a major bank. It's not conclusive, but it looks p...
by Robin Nandi
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:28 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

it is possible to come up with a reasonable method. This is what is being disputed, in my view. Yes, we can come to some pretty serious conclusions when an individual for whom we have lots of evidence that their playing strength OTB is (say) 1800 performs at 3000+ over a period, even a fairly short...
by Robin Nandi
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:24 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

It's hard to come up with an accurate description of "what happens" given that it doesn't happen in the open. But "algorithms" don't "catch" anybody, do they? They provide information about the strength of moves and that information is interpreted by human beings in the light of assumptions made by...
by Robin Nandi
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:39 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

Adam Raoof wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:11 pm
just don't mention those who are disqualified; because withholding words is not a statement, and therefore it is not defamatory
How about publishing a list of those who were NOT flagged by engine use detection software? No defamatory statement there. Not accusing anyone of anything. :D
by Robin Nandi
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:05 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

It is also, I would hope, obvious to most people that the level of proof you could reasonably demand to quietly deny someone a prize/placing in a specific tournament is quite a lot lower than that you'd need to make a public assertion that they did use an engine If a tournament withholds a prize wh...
by Robin Nandi
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:13 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

EITHER that player is a deserved winner and should receive the prize money - there is no direct proof of engine use so they are innocent until proven guilty, right? OR their score on the engine use detection software is too high to justify their place in the tournament (again avoiding the c word) a...
by Robin Nandi
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

I think he was making the point that if you are just stating publicly available facts it is not libel.
by Robin Nandi
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:44 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Cheating in chess
Replies: 2173
Views: 184862

Re: Cheating in chess

Alan Walton wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:26 pm
But if all you are saying, player x has had his account suspended on chess site y for assistance, and player x name/handle is publicly available online elsewhere; then all you are doing is stating known facts, is this libelous to name on a forum?
Agree. No problem with that.