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by Chris Goodall
Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

And if the passing spectator decides that they're not going to show you the moves unless you buy their newspaper, you would have no right to demand that the historical record of the moves be released into the public domain (saving you the cost of a newspaper). That the moves are "free" to the passi...
by Chris Goodall
Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

On the contrary, that's always been the case. If a passing spectator happens to note the moves played in the Northumberland Championships, the organisers of that event have no rights to prevent the spectator doing what they wish with that historic record. If the spectator adds value by commenting a...
by Chris Goodall
Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:16 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

That's tough, because the free use of game scores long pre-dates the existence of Agon; FIDE as well given the principle dates back to Victorian times. Right, but it's a red herring, because "free" has always been subject to other people' willingness to convert effort into added value by conveying ...
by Chris Goodall
Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:23 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

That's tough, because the free use of game scores long pre-dates the existence of Agon; FIDE as well given the principle dates back to Victorian times. Right, but it's a red herring, because "free" has always been subject to other people' willingness to convert effort into added value by conveying ...
by Chris Goodall
Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Retransmitting moves on your own website that were received from the official broadcast may not be live, but, for chess broadcasting, it's as good as. If I wanted to watch a broadcast on a particular website because I liked their commentators, for example, it wouldn't bother me that there was a sli...
by Chris Goodall
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:25 am
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Unless they're using extra-sensory perception, there's got to be a chain of communication that leads back to someone in the playing hall, who is therefore contributing to the organisation of the live broadcast. Simple enough, the moves as played are recorded on a website. If you want to discuss the...
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:24 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Your point does not elude me but its relevance does Chess game takes place in hall. Broadcaster sits in studio hundreds of miles away. How does broadcaster get hold of moves as they're being played? The American court judgement talks about "secondary sources". How do the secondary sources get hold ...
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

"contributing to organization of unauthorized live move-by-move broadcast" - messaging the moves to your friend at chess24 as they're played would be contributing to their live move-by-move broadcast, no?
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Yes. FIDE would quite like it if we treated the facts represented by chess moves in the same manner as the fact of who wins Bake Off. They can't punish people in the courts for passing facts to the media, so this is how they're going to withdraw certain chess privileges from them instead.
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:20 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:50 pm
But those people aren't its employees or contracted to it.
They've accepted the terms and conditions on the ticket by being in the playing hall.
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

No, it isn't. In the first place, it's not the law, and it's an argument that Agon have had available to them in several court judgements. So it's simply not their call to make. In the second place, were the media to discover who had won GBBO, and to publicise the fact, the show's owners couldn't d...
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Well,they've tried to revise them, and courts in two different legal systems have told them they're not interested. I saw the US judgement. It seemed to me to ignore the question of what's actually valuable to people. It makes no sense to give chess24 a free pass because they're producing content f...
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:11 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Media comments on chess
Replies: 2716
Views: 292468

Re: Media comments on chess

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:53 pm
Not sure if this counts, but https://www.eno.org/whats-on/chess/
Bad chess and bad drama. Six people shouting at each other for three hours. Would love to sit down with the musical score and a red pen some time.
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:59 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Or are we happy to see more money coming into chess as long as it's not coming into FIDE and Agon? Just asking, what is the reason for minding where it comes from? I certainly wouldn't mind the involvement of FIDE or Agon, except that Agon have objectionable business practices and in any case money...
by Chris Goodall
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: General Chat
Topic: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy
Replies: 180
Views: 7438

Re: Consultation on the Draft FIDE Live Moves Broadcasting Policy

Do we object to the basic principle that FIDE (Agon) have a right to control the live transmission of the moves from their events? It's obviously content that we value, otherwise we wouldn't complain about losing it. If we want to sustain our core of chess "professionals", we either carry on giving ...