Division Four (South) 2017-18

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Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Neil Graham » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:01 am

Further new topic to discuss matters relating to Division Four (South) for the forthcoming season.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:12 am

Pairings for round 1

Division 4 South Round 1
41 Iceni 1 - - - Cambridge University 3
42 Surbiton - - - Sussex Martlets 3
43 Brown Jack 2 - - - Kent KJCA Kestrels
44 Poisoned Pawns 2 - - - Camberley Juniors
45 CSC 2 - - - CSC 3
46 MK Phoenix 2 - - - West is Best 4
47 Watford - - - Fischer's Catch
48 Oxford 4 - - - Throw in the Tal
49 Invicta Chess - - - Wessex B
50 K Kings 2 - - - Crowthorne
51 Iceni 3 - - - All Anands on Deck
52 Barnet Knights 3 - - - Barnet Knights 2
53 Barnet Knights 4 - - - The Pitstop
60 Iceni 2 - - - Oxford 3
61 Oxford 3 - - - Brown Jack 3
62 Brown Jack 3 - - - Iceni 2

Pairings for round 2

41 Throw in the Tal - - - Iceni 1
42 Wessex B - - - Surbiton
43 Crowthorne - - - Brown Jack 2
44 All Anands on Deck - - - Poisoned Pawns 2
45 Barnet Knights 2 - - - CSC 2
46 The Pitstop - - - MK Phoenix 2
47 Cambridge University 3 - - - Watford
48 Sussex Martlets 3 - - - Oxford 4
49 Kent KJCA Kestrels - - - Invicta Chess
50 Camberley Juniors - - - K Kings 2
51 CSC 3 - - - Iceni 3
52 West is Best 4 - - - Barnet Knights 3
53 Fischer's Catch - - - Barnet Knights 4
60 Iceni 2 0 - 0 Oxford 3
61 Oxford 3 0 - 0 Brown Jack 3
62 Brown Jack 3 0 - 0 Iceni 2

Note the triangular match at the bottom.

Anyone care to reverse engineer the method, or for that matter the seeding?

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by MartinCarpenter » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:30 pm

Think that's enough teams for a straight swiss to be likely?

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:56 pm

Seeds go, in order (looking at the round 1 pairings): 41-47 white, 48-53 black, 41-47 black, 48-53 white. I don't know where the triangular teams fit into the seedings.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Roger Lancaster » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:39 am

Round 1 pairings as Jack says, with Round 2 pairings assuming all higher-rated teams won their round 1 matches.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by David Robertson » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:08 pm

Battle of the Forum

Sunday; Wessex B v Surbiton

Roger de Coverly 1 - 0 Nick Faulks

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:46 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:08 pm
Sunday; Wessex B v Surbiton


Black's odd looking 5. .. g5 isn't as bad as you might think. It's about equal at move 20 when I came up with the appalling Qe1 totally missing Nd7-c5.


After losing a pawn, I offered an exchange sacrifice to get the illusion of an attack. Instead of taking the rook, 25 .. Nc6-d4 is as crushing as it looks.



At move 27, an engine reckons Nxe5 keeps White in the game.


He who makes the last mistake loses as 36. .. Qc2 fell for the Ra1 cheapo. Even after that, 37 .. a5 could be played, as after 38 Rxa5 there's 38 .. Qb1+ followed by 39 .. Qxb7 giving the king some possible defence. If 38 Rxa7 looks simpler than Bxe4 that's because it is. The follow up is 39 Qb6.


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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:17 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:08 pm
Battle of the Forum

Sunday; Wessex B v Surbiton

Roger de Coverly 1 - 0 Nick Faulks
I wish you hadn't done that. By the time I got home I had almost convinced myself that this sickening game had been just a bad dream.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by David Robertson » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:26 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:17 pm
I wish you hadn't done that. By the time I got home I had almost convinced myself that this sickening game had been just a bad dream
Yeah. I did give that some thought, but felt you'd agree that 'public interest' justified the attention. I know how you feel though; and you played OK. Roger has been generous too in his analysis. A decent scrap.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:09 pm

Round 3 and 4 pairings are now out.

On the face of it, they are using the reverse acceleration pairing method as described elsewhere for Division 3N.

Division 4 South Round 3 Results
41 The Pitstop - - - Oxford 3
42 Iceni 1 - - - West is Best 4
43 Wessex B - - - Kent KJCA Kestrels
44 Watford - - - Surbiton
45 All Anands on Deck - - - Barnet Knights 2
46 Crowthorne - - - Throw in the Tal
47 CSC 2 - - - Poisoned Pawns 2
48 Fischer's Catch - - - CSC 3
49 Iceni 3 - - - Oxford 4
50 Barnet Knights 3 - - - Iceni 2
51 Brown Jack 3 - - - K Kings 2
52 Invicta Chess - - - Brown Jack 2
53 Cambridge University 3 - - - Camberley Juniors
54 Sussex Martlets 3 - - - MK Phoenix 2
55 Barnet Knights 4 - - - D&D United

Division 4 South Round 4 Results
41 Iceni 2 - - - The Pitstop
42 CSC 3 - - - Iceni 1
43 Oxford 4 - - - Watford
44 Brown Jack 2 - - - Wessex B
45 K Kings 2 - - - All Anands on Deck
46 Camberley Juniors - - - Crowthorne
47 MK Phoenix 2 - - - CSC 2
48 D&D United - - - Fischer's Catch
49 Oxford 3 - - - Barnet Knights 3
50 West is Best 4 - - - Iceni 3
51 Kent KJCA Kestrels - - - Brown Jack 3
52 Surbiton - - - Invicta Chess
53 Barnet Knights 2 - - - Cambridge University 3
54 Throw in the Tal - - - Sussex Martlets 3
55 Poisoned Pawns 2 - - - Barnet Knights 4

The leading teams with 4/4 after two rounds were

1 The Pitstop
2 Iceni 1
3 Oxford 3
4 Watford
5 Wessex B
6 All Anands on Deck
7 Crowthorne
8 CSC 2

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Nick Burrows » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:33 pm

How does that result in a 1st vs 3rd pairing?

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Phil Neatherway » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Although weaker than previously, Oxford 3 managed to draw with CSC2 and defeat Iceni 1, making for a very satisfactory weekend, and retaining first place on game points.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:48 pm

All games from the February weekend are now online.

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by Nick Burrows » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:23 pm

So Iceni 2 are top of the league. They are a point clear of Oxford 3 (punching well above their weight also) and 2 points clear of Iceni 1.

If Iceni 2 get promoted to Div 3 and Iceni 1 do not - can they simply switch squads or do they have to play their weaker players in Div 3?

Maybe there should be a -80 point rule for these circumstances :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Division Four (South) 2017-18

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:27 pm

If teams from a squad finish in the wrong order, then for purposes of divisions and seedings the following season, they are taken to have occupied the positions they did but in the right order.

(This actually happened a few seasons ago in Division 1, where Barbican 2 finished eighth and Barbican 1 ninth. The following season, Barbican 1 were in the fourth seeding pot and Barbican 2 the fifth.)

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