I would hope that the priority is still to complete 2019-20 over the board as and when it is possible to host such events.
Over the board restarting may not mean the end of the online version.
I would hope that the priority is still to complete 2019-20 over the board as and when it is possible to host such events.
Agree with the second bit; I assume the OTB resumption is for norm reasons?LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:30 pmI would hope that the priority is still to complete 2019-20 over the board as and when it is possible to host such events.
Over the board restarting may not mean the end of the online version.
From a selfish perspective yes but also to complete the final five rounds of the season and to avoid an off the board decision of who if anyone gets promoted & relegated, nominated for European places and wins the respective divisions.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:00 amAgree with the second bit; I assume the OTB resumption is for norm reasons?LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:30 pmI would hope that the priority is still to complete 2019-20 over the board as and when it is possible to host such events.
Over the board restarting may not mean the end of the online version.
I'd imagine that will be down to what the participating teams want though; it might be different in each divisionLawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:50 amFrom a selfish perspective yes but also to complete the final five rounds of the season and to avoid an off the board decision of who if anyone gets promoted & relegated, nominated for European places and wins the respective divisions.
Agreed, difficult decisions ahead for those in the 4NCL. The last correspondence to captains presented two options; a 2020-21 season as normal or completing 2019-20 in March-May 2021. As neither of these will now happen we shall have to wait and see if they try to complete 2019-20 over the summer or dive straight into 2021-22 in the autumn/winter.Mick Norris wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:27 amI'd imagine that will be down to what the participating teams want though; it might be different in each divisionLawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:50 amFrom a selfish perspective yes but also to complete the final five rounds of the season and to avoid an off the board decision of who if anyone gets promoted & relegated, nominated for European places and wins the respective divisions.
I'd suggest that with 6 out of 11 rounds played, if the season is stopped it might be better to say it was abandoned than try to award titles etc on points per game or some such basis, and start the 2021/22 season from scratch; it might be that some teams don't enter, so promotion and relegation may be skewed anyway
No easy answers
Wasn't there also the suggestion at some point of completing the 2019-20 season with two weekends at the end of 2020, followed by a 2020-21 season starting in January 2021 and maybe finishing a bit later in 2021 that it normally would have?LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:55 amAgreed, difficult decisions ahead for those in the 4NCL. The last correspondence to captains presented two options; a 2020-21 season as normal or completing 2019-20 in March-May 2021. As neither of these will now happen we shall have to wait and see if they try to complete 2019-20 over the summer or dive straight into 2021-22 in the autumn/winter.
I think it was this:Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:40 amWasn't there also the suggestion at some point of completing the 2019-20 season with two weekends at the end of 2020, followed by a 2020-21 season starting in January 2021 and maybe finishing a bit later in 2021 that it normally would have?LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:55 amAgreed, difficult decisions ahead for those in the 4NCL. The last correspondence to captains presented two options; a 2020-21 season as normal or completing 2019-20 in March-May 2021. As neither of these will now happen we shall have to wait and see if they try to complete 2019-20 over the summer or dive straight into 2021-22 in the autumn/winter.
That approach would still be an option, with the 2019-20 season finishing with two weekends at the end of 2021 and a 2021-22 season starting in January 2022.
We have with great regret decided not to proceed with weekends 4 and 5 of this season's 4NCL, which we had hoped could be held in August and September. Given the continuing uncertainty caused by the prevailing Covid-19 pandemic, in our view the financial and operational risks both to the 4NCL and to Guaranteed Events are just too big to run the risk of proceeding at this stage.
We will be actively looking at two options for the future:
1) If over the board chess resumes in an orderly manner and in a way which makes running 4NCL weekends viable by late 2020 we will consider starting the 2020/21 season in November/December 2020 and continuing as normal in 2021. In this event the 2019/20 season would effectively be abandoned (so there would be no promotions or relegations).
2) If over the board chess does not resume in an orderly manner and in a way which makes running 4NCL weekends viable until 2021 we will consider holding the final two weekends of the 2019/20 season in March-May 2021, effectively 'losing' a season - assuming, that is, that a return to orderly over the board chess is possible even then. Please note that FIDE has given the option for leagues to extend beyond a year, and so any title norm opportunities would still be available in the event of option 2.
If there is a suitable gap in the calendar under option 2, we may look at holding a separate one-off weekend team event at some point.
We apologise for the continuing lack of clarity over future plans (other than the clarity that the 4NCL will not now resume until November/December 2020 at the earliest), but the 4NCL Board hopes that 4NCL captains and players will understand the difficulties that we face at present in making anything like informed decisions that do not entail significant risk at a time of such uncertainty.
Kind regards,
Mike Truran
If Nick Burrows prediction of decimation of the league is accurate, there might be an opportunity to do that sooner rather than later without having to relegate so many teams from Divisions 1 and 2.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:51 pmIt also seems inevitable that the planned league restructuring to 12 teams in Division One in 2021-22, 12 teams in Division Two in 2022-3 and Division Three being split into Midland, North & South regional leagues will need to be put back by at least one season.
Very true. Interesting times ahead.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:02 pmIf Nick Burrows prediction of decimation of the league is accurate, there might be an opportunity to do that sooner rather than later without having to relegate so many teams from Divisions 1 and 2.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:51 pmIt also seems inevitable that the planned league restructuring to 12 teams in Division One in 2021-22, 12 teams in Division Two in 2022-3 and Division Three being split into Midland, North & South regional leagues will need to be put back by at least one season.
There's an opportunity to do a reset on all of it, including whether travelling in the depths of winter should continue, or whether that's the time for online chess, and OTB could move to more favourable weather conditions (thus avoiding the M62 gambit in 4NCL North as well as the M6 Gambit in county chess)Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:02 pmIf Nick Burrows prediction of decimation of the league is accurate, there might be an opportunity to do that sooner rather than later without having to relegate so many teams from Divisions 1 and 2.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:51 pmIt also seems inevitable that the planned league restructuring to 12 teams in Division One in 2021-22, 12 teams in Division Two in 2022-3 and Division Three being split into Midland, North & South regional leagues will need to be put back by at least one season.