Sporting Terms

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Nick Burrows
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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Nick Burrows » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:28 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:55 pm
I would think the central division 3 is viable, not least because with venues at Leamington and Hinckley, some previous southern teams or players may be tempted.
In addition to the 6 teams Lawrence mentioned, I'm aware of a further 4 teams that will play in 3 Central.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:28 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:41 pm
Nick Burrows wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:30 pm
Unless something dramatic changes, is there any reason to believe that the covid precautions the 4ncl have been following will suddenly change?
I think the very fact that there is a gap where you would expect this information to be might suggest that a change could be under consideration. But we are of course guessing, with only a few weeks to go .
Alternatively, you could speak with Alex McF and find out :wink:
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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Nick Burrows » Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:39 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:41 pm
Nick Burrows wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:30 pm
Unless something dramatic changes, is there any reason to believe that the covid precautions the 4ncl have been following will suddenly change?
I think the very fact that there is a gap where you would expect this information to be might suggest that a change could be under consideration. But we are of course guessing, with only a few weeks to go .

4NCL 2021-22 Season

We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent.
There will be no problem with teams getting entry fee refunds after the 31 October entry deadline if the approach the 4NCL adopts is not to their liking, and bedroom bookings can as usual be cancelled without charge up to five working days before the first weekend.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:17 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:28 pm
Alternatively, you could speak with Alex McF and find out :wink:
Nick Burrows wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:39 pm

4NCL 2021-22 Season

We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent.
There will be no problem with teams getting entry fee refunds after the 31 October entry deadline if the approach the 4NCL adopts is not to their liking, and bedroom bookings can as usual be cancelled without charge up to five working days before the first weekend.

It's amazing what you can sometimes achieve by adopting a suggestion made on this Forum, albeit that the 4NCL statement was actually issued by Mike Truran.

Thank you for the statement, Mike T.

Thank you for the nudge, Mick N.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Neil Graham » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:13 pm

A quick update.

With 62 entries declared, it looks to me that approximately 24 teams will compete in the top division. This leaves 38 teams or so to compete in the three Third Divisions. Until teams location preferences are announced it is impossible to say what options have been taken up in South, Central & North. However from Mike Norris's analysis it seems that Division Three North is the one most at risk through insufficient entries.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Nick Burrows » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:08 pm

Some of the bigger teams currently missing:

Barbican
Bradford
3 C's
Cambridge Uni
North East England
Manchester
KJCA Kings
Poisoned Pawns
Fermented Sharks
MK Phoenix

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:16 pm

NE England now been added

Manchester will be entering 3 teams and Bradford 1 I think

Not sure if 3Cs will be entering
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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:45 pm

Up to 77 teams now including one from Barbican 4NCL.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:03 pm

Cambridge have now appeared and the number is up to 83 plus any that appear overnight.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Neil Graham » Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:58 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:03 pm
Cambridge have now appeared and the number is up to 83 plus any that appear overnight.
That looks like the closing figure.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:51 am

Neil Graham wrote:
Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:58 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:03 pm
Cambridge have now appeared and the number is up to 83 plus any that appear overnight.
That looks like the closing figure.
If there aren't any late twists I think that leaves the Division 1/2 swiss as 26 teams having lost 3Cs, Barbican 2, ADs, Kings Head & G/ford 3. Spirit of Atticus are listed but David Robertson on page 2 said that they would play in the northern div 3.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:56 am

The Swiss would then be top 12 to Div 1 and next 12 to Div 2 for 2022/23 season? Or is it next 9 to Div 2, plus the winners of Div 3S, 3C and 3N?
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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:21 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:56 am
The Swiss would then be top 12 to Div 1 and next 12 to Div 2 for 2022/23 season? Or is it next 9 to Div 2, plus the winners of Div 3S, 3C and 3N?
next 9 to Div 2, plus the winners of Div 3S, 3C and 3N.

The one team per club per division from 2022-23 may play a part in deciding who the top 12 are though.

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:44 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:51 am
If there aren't any late twists I think that leaves the Division 1/2 swiss as 26 teams having lost 3Cs, Barbican 2, ADs, Kings Head & G/ford 3.
ADs are listed under T as The ADs. KIngs Head are also still present. Does that make it 28 teams? In practice there was a flurry of late entries. Did team managers feel that even with a scratch squad they would be better to attempt to cling to at least division 2 status rather than have to enter the potential groups of death represented by division 3, particularly 3S, in 2022-23?

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Re: Sporting Terms

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:58 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:44 am
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:51 am
If there aren't any late twists I think that leaves the Division 1/2 swiss as 26 teams having lost 3Cs, Barbican 2, ADs, Kings Head & G/ford 3.
ADs are listed under T as The ADs. KIngs Head are also still present. Does that make it 28 teams? In practice there was a flurry of late entries. Did team managers feel that even with a scratch squad they would be better to attempt to cling to at least division 2 status rather than have to enter the potential groups of death represented by division 3, particularly 3S, in 2022-23?
Oops, it looks like I should have gone to Specsavers :oops:

Looks like 28 then barring the final update and confirmation that the teams yet to pay did send their entry fee.

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