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4NCL dispute
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:24 pm
by Roger de Coverly
The 4NCL website has details of a dispute which took place during the May weekend.
https://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/2122/reac_incident_2022.htm
It involved a game that went no further then 1. d4 f5
I'm not sure I see the point of disputiog the eligibilty of Barnet's board 1, not least when it was his third game of the weekend.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:06 pm
by David Sedgwick
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:24 pm
I'm not sure I see the point of disputiog the eligibilty of Barnet's board 1, not least when it was his third game of the weekend.
Emerson felt that he should not have been expected to play Cherniaev. You may or may not agree with him, but I don't think that you should expect him to change his position because Cherniaev's two previous opponents didn't take the same view.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:00 am
by Kevin Thurlow
A game involving Emerson and Cherniaev leading to a dispute is hardly surprising, surely?
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:58 am
by Roger de Coverly
David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:06 pm
Emerson felt that he should not have been expected to play Cherniaev.
Why was that? According to the 4NCL report, it was nit-picking over whether a player with a FID designation needed to be a Gold member of the ECF when a player with a RUS designation didn't.
He could object to playing Russians, but why isn't that equivalent to Iranians refusing to play Israelis? The 4NCL arbiters or managers had accepted Cherniaev's participation.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:44 am
by LawrenceCooper
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:58 am
David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:06 pm
Emerson felt that he should not have been expected to play Cherniaev.
Why was that? According to the 4NCL report, it was nit-picking over whether a player with a FID designation needed to be a Gold member of the ECF when a player with a RUS designation didn't.
He could object to playing Russians, but why isn't that equivalent to Iranians refusing to play Israelis? The 4NCL arbiters or managers had accepted Cherniaev's participation.
His objection was that Cherniaev had recently played two tournaments in Russia:
https://ratings.fide.com/calculations.p ... 1&rating=0
https://ratings.fide.com/calculations.p ... 1&rating=0
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:54 am
by NickFaulks
LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:44 am
His objection was that Cherniaev had recently played two tournaments in Russia
So the FID / Gold member business was just a smokescreen?
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:06 am
by LawrenceCooper
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:54 am
LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:44 am
His objection was that Cherniaev had recently played two tournaments in Russia
So the FID / Gold member business was just a smokescreen?
It appears to have become the main focus of his defence but I'm fairly sure that the membership issue on its own wouldn't have been sufficient reason for white to leave his clock running after one move.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:09 am
by Angus French
This isn't stated in the decision text though.
I wonder: has anyone else found it difficult to read the decision text? Isn't it usual in dispute rulings to start off by describing what happened, having taken input from all the parties involved?
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:23 am
by NickFaulks
I can't find this on the 4NCL website. I don't seem to be very good at finding things on websites, can someone give directions?
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:27 am
by LawrenceCooper
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:23 am
I can't find this on the 4NCL website. I don't seem to be very good at finding things on websites, can someone give directions?
On the homepage it's currently the 7th item down.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:28 am
by Angus French
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:23 am
I can't find this on the 4NCL website. I don't seem to be very good at finding things on websites, can someone give directions?
It's in the News section, currently some items down on the first page.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:30 am
by Andy Stoker
Puzzled - the link takes me straight to the relevant item
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:34 am
by Angus French
Andy Stoker wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:30 am
Puzzled - the link takes me straight to the relevant item
A reason for navigating to the page is to see if there's other relevant information.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:37 am
by NickFaulks
Andy Stoker wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:30 am
Puzzled - the link takes me straight to the relevant item
Of course it does. I wanted to see where it actually was in case there was an earlier item in the same place.
Thanks to those who gave the answer. I did try News but gave up too quickly.
Re: 4NCL dispute
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:46 am
by NickFaulks
Angus French wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:09 am
I wonder: has anyone else found it difficult to read the decision text? Isn't it usual in dispute rulings to start off by describing what happened, having taken input from all the parties involved?
I had it in my mind that there was an earlier statement covering the basic facts, but it seems I was mistaken.