Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:05 am

Ian Thompson wrote: Is there a precedent for a second (third) team entering but not a first team?
It would be nice to know what's going on, as the latest entry list (9 Oct) no longer shows the 3rd team entry in Division 3.
So it's just e2e4 failing to pay an entry fee. I thought e2e4 and 4ncl were mates.

(edit) There's quite a large squad of amateur players under the e2e4 banner. It's insulting to leave them in the dark as to whether they will playing in this season's 4NCL.
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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by David Robertson » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:31 pm

Big BAD news on the way - though good news for some.

e2-e4 pull all teams. That's a lot of disappointed, faffed about, players. Faffed about other teams too, if hotels have been booked.

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Post by Mike Truran » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:41 pm

We might consider a late entry application (in Division 4 only) if any of the former e2e4 players wanted to band together under another name.

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by David Robertson » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:57 pm

So that's:

SW Dragons back to Div 1
BCM Dragons & Rhyl Wysiwyg back to Div 2

and heaven knows who into Div 3S

Apart from the poor saps associated with e2e4, the biggest dump has been on BCM & the Welsh guys who may now be too late for hotels. Was orderly conduct too much to expect?

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:47 pm

David Robertson wrote: Apart from the poor saps associated with e2e4, the biggest dump has been on BCM & the Welsh guys who may now be too late for hotels. Was orderly conduct too much to expect?

It goes beyond that. They also need a seventh player, which might not be too difficult if they have a loyal squad. The greater difficulty could easily be the recruitment of a junior or female player, since if the incumbents desired second division chess, they may already have left.

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:55 pm

With about sixty e2e4 players now homeless, I can't believe that finding new names is likely to be a problem.

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by pauldhatchett » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:47 am

David Robertson wrote:So that's:

SW Dragons back to Div 1
BCM Dragons & Rhyl Wysiwyg back to Div 2

and heaven knows who into Div 3S

Apart from the poor saps associated with e2e4, the biggest dump has been on BCM & the Welsh guys who may now be too late for hotels. Was orderly conduct too much to expect?
Your sentiment is to be applauded but who are "Rhyl Wysiwyg"? Our team is mainly from South Wales so forget any reference to Rhyl. I am not sure where you got the second word from! :)

If interested, the name refers back to an ancient race of warlike people from South Wales who resisted the Romans. I admit I am no expert though.

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Neil Graham » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:45 am

pauldhatchett wrote:
David Robertson wrote:So that's:

SW Dragons back to Div 1
BCM Dragons & Rhyl Wysiwyg back to Div 2

and heaven knows who into Div 3S

Apart from the poor saps associated with e2e4, the biggest dump has been on BCM & the Welsh guys who may now be too late for hotels. Was orderly conduct too much to expect?
Your sentiment is to be applauded but who are "Rhyl Wysiwyg"? Our team is mainly from South Wales so forget any reference to Rhyl. I am not sure where you got the second word from! :)

If interested, the name refers back to an ancient race of warlike people from South Wales who resisted the Romans. I admit I am no expert though.

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Paul, welcome to this forum and your first post.

Had you been round here for a longer time you would be used to the comments above from the acerbic wit and occasionally wisdom of Mr Robertson.

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Post by David Robertson » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:12 pm

pauldhatchett wrote:Your sentiment is to be applauded but who are "Rhyl Wysiwyg"? Our team is mainly from South Wales so forget any reference to Rhyl. I am not sure where you got the second word from! :) If interested, the name refers back to an ancient race of warlike people from South Wales who resisted the Romans. I admit I am no expert though.

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Welcome indeed, Paul. And please forgive my little joke. As you might imagine, some of us find it hard getting our tongues around Welsh, and you've long been known, affectionately, among my colleagues as 'Rhyl Wysiwyg' for want of the correct pronunciation. Moreover, when typing my post, I didn't have your team name to hand, so used 'our' name for you instead. Which brings me to one aspect of our name for you, namely: we know you're not from Rhyl - that's why it amuses us. You're from South Wales. But in this topsy-turvy world, the guys from Rhyl and thereabouts in North Wales call themselves South Wales Dragons. So 'Rhyl Wysiwyg' perversely you may remain, at least until you surround us, pint in hand one night, and bash into us how to pronounce and spell your real name!

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Post by Mick Norris » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:22 pm

Mike Truran wrote:We might consider a late entry application (in Division 4 only) if any of the former e2e4 players wanted to band together under another name.
That sounds like a good offer

It does show how vulnerable chess teams/events are when they rely on just 1 person, perhaps a warning (which won't be heeded :roll: ) to players not to leave everything to someone else
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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Brian Towers » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:21 pm

pauldhatchett wrote:Your sentiment is to be applauded but who are "Rhyl Wysiwyg"? Our team is mainly from South Wales so forget any reference to Rhyl. I am not sure where you got the second word from! :)
It's not good, I'm afraid, if what was billed as the first piece of computer software engineering pornography (for expressing those subversive truths about software engineering we all secretly believe in) Real Programmers don't use Pascal says is true.
Real Programmers don't use Pascal wrote: The problem with these editors is that Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor - complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous. TECO, to be precise.

It has been observed that a TECO command sequence more closely resembles transmission line noise than readable text
Hands up anyone who calls their wife "TECO"?
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:05 am

Wysiwyg is an acronym from the earlier days of personal computing.

It stands for "What you see is What you get". In the pre Windows era in particular, you would only see what a text/word processor would produce as output by actually printing it. Wysiwyg was one of the advantages of a GUI (graphical user interface) as distinct from a CLI (command line interface).

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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Joey Stewart » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:02 pm

pauldhatchett wrote:
Your sentiment is to be applauded but who are "Rhyl Wysiwyg"? Our team is mainly from South Wales so forget any reference to Rhyl. I am not sure where you got the second word from! :)

If interested, the name refers back to an ancient race of warlike people from South Wales who resisted the Romans. I admit I am no expert though.

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I asked a genuine welsh speaker about the name and he said it translated literally into Gwent Dragons - I kind of like that name(in english)
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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by pauldhatchett » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:15 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:
pauldhatchett wrote:
Your sentiment is to be applauded but who are "Rhyl Wysiwyg"? Our team is mainly from South Wales so forget any reference to Rhyl. I am not sure where you got the second word from! :)

If interested, the name refers back to an ancient race of warlike people from South Wales who resisted the Romans. I admit I am no expert though.

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I asked a genuine welsh speaker about the name and he said it translated literally into Gwent Dragons - I kind of like that name(in english)
I am afraid it is not accurate. Rhyfelwyr should be translated as soldier or warrior in English. Dragon is draig as in the (now defunct) Welsh chess magazine "Y Ddraig".

Essyllwg refers back to an ancient kingdom of Wales and I don't think it coincides with exactly Gwent but is in that area. Welsh historians will be able to opine more effectively. However, your version is better than the previous effort in this chain!
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Re: Main 4NCL: 2015/2016 Entry Guidelines

Post by Nick Grey » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:49 pm

Mike has take the time to let BCM know what is happening, & the management let us know.
We have been thinking NOs with all at Telford an issue. Will see how that pans out.
Personally travelling that far will be inclined to continue into Snowdonia for some mountain walking. Birmingham is closer to the South.

Must be hotels south - those some big Opens in late 70s were played in Hammersmith - they are still there - some cheap places too.

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