Re: Div 3 North 2016-17
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:56 pm
the 4ncl north team are looking very strong!!
I see Manchester has a IM signed up to play
I see Manchester has a IM signed up to play
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I agree Neil, that this looks an odd scheme, and not as good as the one you suggested with the split into three `6-team` groups of roughly equal strength, to play 3 groups of 5-round, all play all, followed by a structured Swiss, as discussed on these threads previously.Neil Graham wrote:The pairing system has been announced for Division Three North - from Round Five (ie Week 3) it's a Seeded Swiss.
The pairing system for Rounds 1-4 is described as follows:-
The pairing process for Divisions 3n and 4s
Rounds 1 and 2
Rank the existing teams by 4NCL order from the previous season. Separately rank the new teams. Pair two rounds of balanced pairings, with no new team playing another new team.
Rounds 3 and 4
Rank all the teams into 4NCL order and then do two rounds of balanced pairings in which no further account is taken of previously earned points.
Perhaps someone can explain in layman's terms what on earth this means?
From what I remember in the past, the idea is that if you get the top seed in round 1, you get the bottom seed in round 2, thus ending up with an average, or balance, across the weekend (similarly, if you got seed 4 in round 1, you'd expect seed 15 in round 2, although it won't work out exactly like this no doubt)Neil Graham wrote:The pairing system has been announced for Division Three North - from Round Five (ie Week 3) it's a Seeded Swiss.
The pairing system for Rounds 1-4 is described as follows:-
The pairing process for Divisions 3n and 4s
Rounds 1 and 2
Rank the existing teams by 4NCL order from the previous season. Separately rank the new teams. Pair two rounds of balanced pairings, with no new team playing another new team.
Rounds 3 and 4
Rank all the teams into 4NCL order and then do two rounds of balanced pairings in which no further account is taken of previously earned points.
Perhaps someone can explain in layman's terms what on earth this means?
I did like the look of Mick Norris proposel about spilt it in 2 groups as that was a great idea!!Mick Norris wrote:From what I remember in the past, the idea is that if you get the top seed in round 1, you get the bottom seed in round 2, thus ending up with an average, or balance, across the weekend (similarly, if you got seed 4 in round 1, you'd expect seed 15 in round 2, although it won't work out exactly like this no doubt)Neil Graham wrote:The pairing system has been announced for Division Three North - from Round Five (ie Week 3) it's a Seeded Swiss.
The pairing system for Rounds 1-4 is described as follows:-
The pairing process for Divisions 3n and 4s
Rounds 1 and 2
Rank the existing teams by 4NCL order from the previous season. Separately rank the new teams. Pair two rounds of balanced pairings, with no new team playing another new team.
Rounds 3 and 4
Rank all the teams into 4NCL order and then do two rounds of balanced pairings in which no further account is taken of previously earned points.
Perhaps someone can explain in layman's terms what on earth this means?
Have the actual seedings been released, and do we know when the pairings will be announced for weekend 1?
Yes, seems to have done that, always possible to argue about the pairings of course, can't have been straightforward to work it outRounds 1 and 2
Rank the existing teams by 4NCL order from the previous season. Separately rank the new teams. Pair two rounds of balanced pairings, with no new team playing another new team.
Again, seems to make sense, and more straightforward after you have the results from weekend 1, and without the need to avoid new teams playing each otherRounds 3 and 4
Rank all the teams into 4NCL order and then do two rounds of balanced pairings in which no further account is taken of previously earned points.
But what are "balanced pairings" perhaps we might get an on-forum explanation. In respect of Gonzaga, they beat White Rose today in the European Club event. White Rose were 5th in Division One last year and Gonzaga were playing without the two top players (including a GM) on their 4NCL registration list.Mick Norris wrote:Yes, seems to have done that, always possible to argue about the pairings of course, can't have been straightforward to work it outRounds 1 and 2
Rank the existing teams by 4NCL order from the previous season. Separately rank the new teams. Pair two rounds of balanced pairings, with no new team playing another new team.
Again, seems to make sense, and more straightforward after you have the results from weekend 1, and without the need to avoid new teams playing each otherRounds 3 and 4
Rank all the teams into 4NCL order and then do two rounds of balanced pairings in which no further account is taken of previously earned points.
White Rose are playing without nine of their top ten though from here http://www.4nclresults.co.uk/2016-17/me ... t.html#wro so they are far from full strength. That said, it's great to see Martin getting the chance to play on board two.Neil Graham wrote:In respect of Gonzaga, they beat White Rose today in the European Club event. White Rose were 5th in Division One last year and Gonzaga were playing without the two top players (including a GM) on their 4NCL registration list.
Last year A-B1 were ninth seeds in Div Three South but won their pool and effectively finished 7/16. As we know from last season Div Three South was stronger than Division Three North so sixth seed doesn't look too out of place this time round.MartinCarpenter wrote:Surely the top teams are being kept apart in round two as well? Ashfield - Breadsall 1 look firmly mid table at best judging by their registration list. Might even be in the bottom half, I'm not sure.
The truly strong teams are Gonzaga, Hounds and Bears, Manchester 1 and actually Manx if all their top registered players turn up! I doubt if they'll have been seeded that way after last season though.