East Devon Open, 23-25 February

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IM Jack Rudd
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:24 pm

My games from this event:


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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:00 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:22 pm
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That's an exceptional number of players piling up in third place.

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3	Russell G Granat	198A		111505E	w33+	b14=	w11-	b17+	w21+	3½	5	1001	200
4	Mike P Waddington	196A	FM	153139G	b26+	w37+	b8=	w10=	b12=	3½	5	981	196
5	Jeremy R Fallowfield	194A		242226J	w27+	b21=	b17=	w26+	b10=	3½	5	971	194
6	Oscar Garcia	194A		299337F	b25+	w45+	b12+	b1-	w9=	3½	5	1013	203
7	Philip AA Tozer	193A		120561E	w28+	b48+	w1-	b22+	w11=	3½	5	1002	200
8	Stephen P Dilleigh	191A		109679F	b38+	w31+	w4=	b11=	w14=	3½	5	1017	203
9	John KF Stephens	189D		155629A	w43=	b29+	bye=	w41+	b6=	3½	4	764	191
10	Graham Bolt	188A		106951C	bye=	b40+	w21+	b4=	w5=	3½	4	826	207
11	Michael FG Duggan	184C		144117G	b42+	w2=	b3+	w8=	b7=	3½	5	1033	207
12	Paul D Helbig	180C		112469K	w49+	b30+	w6-	b34+	w4=	3½	5	1003	201
13	Paul DJ Hampton	175C		303090J	w1-	b27=	w35+	b38+	w30+	3½	5	992	198 

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:23 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
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Do you know why they weren't FIDE rated?

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by Brian Towers » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:59 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:23 am
Do you know why they weren't FIDE rated?
I would guess that it is because they were using UTUSwiss for the pairings which follows British as opposed to FIDE pairing rules.

OK, so that begs the question why weren't they using the FIDE endorsed pairing program, Vega, or one of the programs which has received an interim certificate from FIDE like Swiss Manager.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 am

Brian Towers wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:59 am
I would guess that it is because they were using UTUSwiss for the pairings which follows British as opposed to FIDE pairing rules.
It's a long running Congress that has never been FIDE rated. The move rate would permit it to be rated, but then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements. Some similar events have taken that route, others have not. I don't believe the pairing rules have any bearing on whether an event can be rated.

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by John Saunders » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:27 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:24 pm
My games from this event:

Something weird has happened to the PGN of the round 3 game Tozer-Rudd, resulting in move 19 going missing for both players and depriving us of an amusing finish. Unless I'm much mistaken, the PGN for the whole game should read...



Perhaps Jack could confirm whether or not I have correctly identified the missing moves.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:32 am

Brian Towers wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:59 am
I would guess that it is because they were using UTUSwiss for the pairings which follows British as opposed to FIDE pairing rules.
So what?

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:35 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 am
but then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements.
Which additional ECF requirements? I'm still trying to get to grips with the problems that seem unique to the ECF.

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 am

John has indeed correctly identified the missing moves. I'll correct my original post.

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:58 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:35 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 am
but then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements.
Which additional ECF requirements? I'm still trying to get to grips with the problems that seem unique to the ECF.
The only one I can think of is that the ENG players in the Open would have to be Gold rather than Silver members, but I suspect most of them already are, and very few of the rest would begrudge the upgrade fee.

Other than that, there's no issue. The time control's fine and Tony Tatam, the section arbiter, is FIDE-registered.

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:35 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:06 am
but then the organisers would have to satisfy additional ECF and FIDE requirements.
Which additional ECF requirements? I'm still trying to get to grips with the problems that seem unique to the ECF.
Some organisers of weekend congresses adopt FIDE rating because they think that it encourages entries. Others eschew it because they think that it discourages entries.

Each according to their own. The UK is a free country.

Speaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:11 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pm
Speaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
East Devon would satisfy that one with a move rate of 40 moves in 100 minutes plus 20. Next year it might not as according to the organisers venue availability may preclude a Friday evening round.
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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:17 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pm
Each according to their own. The UK is a free country.
Absolutely so. However, the same people who prefer games not to be rated should not complain that the FIDE ratings of their opponents are unreliable because they are based on so few games.
Speaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
Even when the chosen time control does in fact accord with the regulations? That seems rather perverse.

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Re: East Devon Open, 23-25 February

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:39 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:17 pm
David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pm
Speaking for myself, I won't encourage people to have their tournaments FIDE rated until the Qualification Commission removes the barriers (minimum 4 hour playing session for players rated 2200+; first time control if any must be after 40 moves).
Even when the chosen time control does in fact accord with the regulations? That seems rather perverse.
Circumstances can change. As Roger has pointed out, that may apply to the East Devon Congress, although I didn't know that when I posted previously.

Have you never had to tell the organisers of a FIDE rated event that they would have to abandon FIDE rating if they made an otherwise desirable change to their time limits?

Please get your own house in order. I appreciate that you may not be able to do that until 2020 / 2021.

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