Fischer Placement Chess

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Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:52 am

I have experimented with initial "relocation moves", and have found that it's
possible to manually and swiftly generate 25 modest positions from the
Chess960 array. See "Fischer Placement Chess" :
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/chess/ ... cement.htm

Mats

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:11 pm

Recently, in the London Chess Classic, the commentator said that
GMs nowaday have turned to Bishop's opening in order to avoid
the Petroff. Good luck! Likewise, they play d2-d3 in the Ruy Lopez.
The art of defence in the Petroff and Ruy Lopez (Marshall gambit,
et al.) has reached such levels that it's no use to grab the bull by
the horns, anymore. As a result Black is even better in the opening.
Where are we heading when super-GMs are forced to play daft
opening systems? How can anybody expect to win against a GM
with Bishop's opening? The problem which is already apparent in
Corr chess, is now surfacing in table chess.

I have suggested several different solutions to the problem. The
following is one of them:

The various "relocation methods" allow the players optionally to
relocate king and/or queen before the play begins, whilst retaining
the castling rights. The players can abstain from this if they prefer
the standard setup. It is a cogent method of rearranging the initial
position to enhance opening ramification, while allowing the players
to remain in control. The resultant positions deviate marginally from
the standard position and would be experienced as natural by most
chessplayers.

The following article contains diagrams and links to email presets and
programs that can play the variants (in English and German) :
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/chess/ ... riants.htm

/Mats

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:37 pm

Mats Winther wrote:Where are we heading when super-GMs are forced to play daft
opening systems? How can anybody expect to win against a GM
with Bishop's opening? [

What's daft about the Bishop's opening? White can head for a slow Spanish type position without leaving the e pawn en prise.

So a sequence I had in the last round at this year's Hastings can also arise from the Bishop's.

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 Nf6 5 0-0 Be7 6 Re1 b5 7 Bb3 0-0 8 d3 d6 9 c3 Na5 10 Bc2.

In its Bishop's opening form
1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 Nf6 3 d3 Nc6 4 Nf3 Be7 5 0-0 0-0 6 Re1 d6 7 c3 Na5 8 Bb5 a6 9 Ba4 b5 10 Bc2

which is Stefanova-Hebden from Gibraltar 2004 amongst others.

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Yes, Bishop's opening can transpose into Spanish with d3, which is not dangerous to a GM. Of course, black can play a variety of other systems, which are also equal, such as 3...c6 followed by 4...d5.
I often play the Bishop's opening on ICC, but I am an amateur. Bishop's opening is not much.
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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:32 pm

Mats Winther wrote: Where are we heading when super-GMs are forced to play daft
opening systems? How can anybody expect to win against a GM
with Bishop's opening?
Tiviakov,Sergei (2685) - Pridorozhni,Aleksei (2515) [C24]
Moscow op-A Moscow (3), 02.02.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb3 Bb4+ 6.c3 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.Re1 dxe4 9.dxe4 Na6 10.Bg5 Nc5 11.Bc2 h6 12.Bh4 a5 13.Nbd2 b5 14.Nf1 g5 15.Bg3 Qe7 16.N3d2 Be6 17.Ne3 Rad8 18.Qe2 Bc7 19.Nf5 Bxf5 20.exf5 Rfe8 21.b4 axb4 22.cxb4 Na4 23.Ne4 Rd4 24.a3 Nxe4 25.Bxe4 Nc3 26.Qf3 Nxe4 27.Rxe4 Rxe4 28.Qxe4 Qf6 29.Rc1 Rd8 30.h3 Rd5 31.Kh2 h5 32.f3 Bb6 33.h4 gxh4 34.Qxh4 Qxh4+ 35.Bxh4 c5 36.Bf2 cxb4 37.Bxb6 bxa3 38.Bc5 a2 39.Be7 Kg7 40.Rc6 f6 41.Ra6 Kf7 42.Bb4 Rd4 43.Bc3 Rf4 44.Ra7+ Kg8 45.Rxa2 Rxf5 46.Bd2 e4 47.fxe4 Re5 48.Ra6 Rxe4 49.Rxf6 Rh4+ 50.Kg3 Rd4 51.Bf4 b4 52.Rf5 h4+ 53.Kf3 Rc4 54.Rh5 Rc6 55.Rxh4 b3 56.Be5 1-0

Mamedov,Rauf (2638) - Popov,Valerij (2561) [C24]
EU-ch 10th Budva (8), 14.03.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 c6 4.Qe2 Be7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Nbd2 d6 7.a3 Re8 8.Nf1 Bf8 9.Ba2 Be6 10.Bxe6 Rxe6 11.h3 d5 12.g4 Qa5+ 13.Bd2 Qb5 14.Ng3 Qxb2 15.0-0 Qb6 16.g5 dxe4 17.dxe4 Ne8 18.Rfb1 Qc7 19.h4 Nd7 20.h5 Rd8 21.g6 hxg6 22.Ng5 Rd6 23.Kg2 Nc5 24.Be3 Ne6 25.hxg6 Nxg5 26.Bxg5 Nf6 27.Rh1 b5 28.Bxf6 Rxf6 29.Rh8+ 1-0

Tiviakov,Sergei (2684) - Hera,Imre Jr (2527) [C24]
EU-ch 10th Budva (10), 16.03.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb3 Bd6 6.exd5 Nxd5 7.0-0 0-0 8.Re1 Nd7 9.d4 N5f6 10.Nc3 exd4 11.Qxd4 Nc5 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 14.Rad1 Bxh2+ 15.Kxh2 Qxd4 16.Rxd4 gxh4 17.Rxh4 Kg7 18.Bc4 Be6 19.Ne5 Rae8 20.Re3 Bxc4 21.Rxc4 Ncd7 22.Nxd7 Nxd7 23.Rg3+ Kh7 24.Ra4 a6 25.Ne4 b5 26.Rd4 c5 27.Ng5+ hxg5 28.Rxd7 Kg6 29.f4 f6 30.Rd6 g4 31.Rxg4+ Kf5 32.Kh3 Rh8+ 33.Rh4 Rxh4+ 34.Kxh4 Re2 35.g4+ Kxf4 36.Rxf6+ Ke5 37.Rf5+ Kd6 38.g5 Rxc2 39.g6 Rh2+ 40.Kg3 Rh1 41.Kf4 c4 42.g7 Rf1+ 43.Kg5 Re1 44.Kg6 1-0

Kurnosov,Igor (2602) - Volokitin,Andrei (2671) [C24]
EU-ch 10th Budva (11), 17.03.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb3 a5 6.a4 Bb4+ 7.c3 Bd6 8.Bg5 dxe4 9.dxe4 h6 10.Bh4 Qe7 11.Nbd2 Bc7 12.0-0 Nbd7 13.Nc4 g5 14.Bg3 Nxe4 15.Bxe5 Nxe5 16.Nfxe5 Bxe5 17.Re1 Kf8 18.Nb6 Nxf2 19.Nxc8 Rxc8 20.Qf3 Qf6 21.Rxe5 Qxf3 22.gxf3 Nh3+ 23.Kf1 b6 24.Rae1 Rc7 25.Re8+ Kg7 26.Rxh8 Kxh8 27.Re8+ Kg7 28.Rb8 Rd7 29.Rxb6 Rd2 30.Bc4 Rxh2 31.b4 Rf2+ 32.Ke1 Rxf3 33.bxa5 Rxc3 34.Rxc6 g4 35.a6 g3 36.Bd5 Re3+ 37.Kf1 Ra3 38.Rc4 Kf6 39.a7 Ke5 40.a8Q Ra1+ 41.Kg2 1-0

Morozevich,Alexander (2751) - Gelfand,Boris (2755) [C24]
Biel GM 42nd Biel (2), 20.07.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bb3 Bd6 6.exd5 Nxd5 7.0-0 0-0 8.Re1 Nd7 9.d4 exd4 10.Bxd5 cxd5 11.Qxd4 Bc5 12.Qd3 Qb6 13.Re2 Nf6 14.Nc3 Bg4 15.Na4 Qc6 16.Nxc5 Qxc5 17.Be3 Qc4 18.Rd2 Qxd3 19.Rxd3 Bxf3 20.gxf3 Rfe8 21.Rb3 Re7 22.Rd1 Rc8 23.Bxa7 Rxc2 24.Be3 Rd7 25.Rb5 h6 26.a4 Rc4 27.b3 Rh4 28.f4 Rh5 29.Kg2 Ne4 30.Rd4 Rd6 31.Rxe4 1-0

Hou,Yifan (2584) - Reinaldo Castineira,Roi (2503) [C24]
Zuerich Jubilee op Zuerich (9), 15.08.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 Be7 4.d3 Nf6 5.0-0 0-0 6.c3 c6 7.Bb3 Nbd7 8.Re1 Re8 9.Nbd2 Bf8 10.d4 Qc7 11.h3 h6 12.Bc2 g6 13.Nf1 Bg7 14.Ng3 Nf8 15.Be3 Be6 16.Qd2 Kh7 17.Rad1 Rad8 18.Qc1 Bc8 19.Nd2 Ne6 20.Nf3 b6 21.b4 Nf8 22.a4 N8d7 23.h4 Nf8 24.h5 Bg4 25.hxg6+ fxg6 26.dxe5 dxe5 27.Rxd8 Rxd8 28.Nh2 Bc8 29.f4 exf4 30.Bxf4 Qe7 31.e5 Nd5 32.Bd2 Qh4 33.Ne4 Ne6 34.Nf3 Qe7 35.Nd6 Rxd6 36.exd6 Qxd6 37.Nh4 Ndf4 38.Bxf4 Nxf4 39.Re8 Be6 40.Qxf4 1-0

Hamdouchi,Hichem (2590) - Strikovic,Aleksa (2512) [C24]
Fernando Marcote Memorial op Ourense (4), 25.09.2009

1.e4 d6 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 e5 4.Nf3 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.c3 c6 7.Bb3 Nbd7 8.Re1 Re8 9.d4 h6 10.Nbd2 Bf8 11.Bc2 g6 12.b4 a5 13.Bb2 exd4 14.cxd4 axb4 15.e5 Nd5 16.Ne4 dxe5 17.Bb3 N7b6 18.dxe5 Bf5 19.Qd4 Bxe4 20.e6 f6 21.Qxe4 Kh7 22.Nh4 f5 23.Nxf5 Qg5 24.Qe5 Qf6 25.Qxf6 Nxf6 26.e7 gxf5 27.exf8N+ Rxf8 28.Re7+ Kg6 29.Rxb7 Nbd5 30.Rc1 Rfe8 31.g3 Re6 32.Rxb4 Nxb4 33.Bxe6 Nd3 34.Rb1 Rb8 35.Bb3 Ne4 36.Bd4 Rd8 37.Be3 Nc3 38.Ra1 Rb8 39.Kg2 h5 40.Bc4 Nb2 41.Rc1 Nxc4 42.Rxc3 Nxe3+ 43.Rxe3 Rb2 44.a3 c5 45.Rc3 Ra2 46.Kf3 Kf6 47.Ke3 Ke6 48.Rxc5 Rxa3+ 49.Kf4 Ra2 50.f3 Rxh2 51.Rxf5 Rh1 52.Kg5 Rh3 53.g4 hxg4 54.fxg4 Rh8 55.Rf6+ Ke7 56.Rf4 Ra8 57.Kg6 Ra6+ 58.Kg7 Ra5 59.Rf5 Ra7 60.Rf7+ 1-0

Bauer,Christian (2590) - Cifuentes Parada,Roberto (2532) [C24]
Galicia Festival op Ourense (4), 26.09.2009

1.e4 d6 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d3 e5 4.Nf3 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.Re1 Be6 7.Nc3 c6 8.Bb3 h6 9.d4 Bxb3 10.axb3 Nbd7 11.Nh4 Re8 12.Nf5 Bf8 13.Be3 a6 14.Qf3 Qc7 15.Rad1 Rad8 16.Qg3 Kh7 17.Qh4 Kg8 18.Rd3 b5 19.Bxh6 Re6 20.d5 cxd5 21.exd5 b4 22.dxe6 fxe6 23.Nxg7 Bxg7 24.Rg3 Ne8 25.Bxg7 Nxg7 26.Qe7 1-0

Dominguez Perez,Leinier (2719) - Kosteniuk,Alexandra (2517) [C24]
Wch Blitz Moscow (21), 17.11.2009

1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nc6 3.d3 Nf6 4.Nf3 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.0-0 Be7 7.Re1 0-0 8.Nxe5 Nxe5 9.Rxe5 c6 10.Re1 Bd6 11.Nc3 Nxc3 12.bxc3 Qh4 13.g3 Qf6 14.d4 Bh3 15.Qh5 Rae8 16.Rxe8 Rxe8 17.Qxh3 Re1+ 18.Bf1 g6 19.Bh6 Re8 20.Re1 Rb8 21.Qd7 1-0

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:52 am

[Event "World Cup, Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (4.7)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Vachier Lagrave, M."]
[Black "Gelfand, B."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2715"]
[BlackElo "2755"]
[PlyCount "136"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. exd5 Nxd5 7. O-O O-O 8.
Re1 Nd7 9. Nbd2 Re8 10. Nc4 Bc7 11. c3 b5 12. Ne3 N7f6 13. Nxd5 Nxd5 14. d4 e4
15. Ng5 Bf5 16. Bc2 e3 17. Bxf5 Qxg5 18. Qg4 Qxg4 19. Bxg4 exf2+ 20. Kxf2 Rxe1
21. Kxe1 Bxh2 22. a4 Bg3+ 23. Ke2 b4 24. c4 Nf6 25. Bf3 Re8+ 26. Kd3 Re1 27.
Bxc6 Rd1+ 28. Ke2 Rxd4 29. b3 Rd6 30. Bf3 Re6+ 31. Kd3 Bf2 32. Bf4 Nd7 33. Rd1
Ne5+ 34. Ke2 Bb6 35. Bd5 Re8 36. Kf1 Ng4 37. Bf3 Ne3+ 38. Bxe3 Bxe3 39. Rd7 g6
40. Bd5 Rf8 41. Rc7 Bb6 42. Rc6 Rd8 43. Ke2 Kg7 44. Kf3 f5 45. Re6 h5 46. Kf4
Bc7+ 47. Kg5 Bb6 48. Rxg6+ Kh7 49. Rh6+ Kg7 50. Rg6+ Kh7 51. Kxh5 Re8 52. Be6
Rf8 53. Rg5 f4 54. c5 Bd8 55. Rd5 Kg7 56. c6 Kf6 57. Bh3 Rh8+ 58. Kg4 Bc7 59.
Rd7 Rg8+ 60. Kf3 Rg7 61. Ke4 Rxd7 62. cxd7 Ke7 63. Kd5 a5 64. Kc6 Kd8 65. Bg4
Be5 66. Kb6 Bc7+ 67. Ka6 Ke7 68. Kb7 Kd8 1/2-1/2

[Event "Unive Crown, Hoogeveen NED"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Tiviakov, S."]
[Black "Giri, A."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2670"]
[BlackElo "2550"]
[PlyCount "111"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. Nc3 dxe4 7. Ng5 O-O 8.
Ncxe4 Nxe4 9. Nxe4 Bf5 10. Qf3 Bxe4 11. dxe4 Nd7 12. O-O Nc5 13. Bc4 b5 14. Be2
Qe7 15. c3 Rfd8 16. g3 Rab8 17. h4 h6 18. Rd1 Bc7 19. Be3 Na4 20. Bc1 Bb6 21.
Rb1 b4 22. Kg2 bxc3 23. bxc3 Qe6 24. Rb4 Rxd1 25. Bxd1 Nc5 26. Be2 Qe7 27. Bc4
Rd8 28. Rb2 Nb7 29. Rd2 Rxd2 30. Bxd2 Na5 31. Be2 Qe6 32. Qg4 Qxg4 33. Bxg4 Nc4
34. Be1 Ba5 35. Bd7 c5 36. Kf3 Nd6 37. Ke3 Bb6 38. f4 Kf8 39. Bc6 Ke7 40. Bd5
c4+ 41. Kf3 f6 42. h5 Ba5 43. a4 Bb6 44. Bd2 Ba5 45. fxe5 fxe5 46. g4 Kf6 47.
g5+ hxg5 48. Kg4 g6 49. Bxg5+ Kg7 50. Bd2 Bb6 51. Bc1 Ba5 52. Bd2 Bb6 53. Be1
Ba5 54. Kg5 Bd8+ 55. Kg4 Ba5 56. Bd2 1/2-1/2

[Event "7th Staunton Memorial, London ENG"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Howell, D."]
[Black "Smeets, J."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2610"]
[BlackElo "2630"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. Nc3 dxe4 7. Ng5 O-O 8.
Ngxe4 Nxe4 9. Nxe4 Bf5 10. Qf3 Bxe4 11. dxe4 a5 12. a4 Nd7 13. c3 Nc5 14. Bc2
Qe7 15. O-O Qe6 16. Be3 Rfd8 17. Qe2 Be7 18. g3 g6 19. b4 axb4 20. cxb4 Nb3 21.
Bxb3 Qxb3 22. Rfb1 Qe6 23. b5 Rd7 24. a5 cxb5 25. Qxb5 h5 26. Bb6 Bd8 27. h4
Bxb6 28. Qxb6 Qg4 29. Qe3 Rad8 30. Rb3 Qh3 31. Re1 Rd2 32. Qf3 R8d7 33. Qf6 Rd1
34. Rb1 Rxe1+ 35. Rxe1 Qe6 36. Qxe6 fxe6 37. Rb1 Kf7 38. Rb5 Kf6 39. Kf1 Rd4
40. Rxb7 Rxe4 41. a6 Ra4 42. Ra7 e4 43. Ra8 Ke5 44. a7 e3 45. f3 Ra1+ 46. Ke2
Ra3 47. Kd1 Ra1+ 48. Ke2 Ra3 49. Rg8 Rxa7 50. Rxg6 Kd4 51. Rxe6 Ra2+ 52. Ke1
1/2-1/2

[Event "Czech Open A, Pardubice CZE"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Michiels, B."]
[Black "Maslak, K."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2450"]
[BlackElo "2545"]
[PlyCount "92"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. Nc3 dxe4 7. Ng5 O-O 8.
Ncxe4 Nxe4 9. Nxe4 Bf5 10. Qf3 Bxe4 11. dxe4 a5 12. a3 a4 13. Ba2 Nd7 14. O-O
Bc5 15. Rd1 Qe7 16. Bg5 Nf6 17. Bxf6 Qxf6 18. Qxf6 gxf6 19. Rd7 Rad8 20. Rad1
Bd4 21. Bxf7+ Kg7 22. Rxd8 Rxd8 23. Bh5 Kf8 24. Be2 Ke7 25. c3 Ba7 26. Bd3 b5
27. Kf1 c5 28. Bc2 Rxd1+ 29. Bxd1 c4 30. Bg4 Kd8 31. Be6 Bc5 32. Ke2 h6 33. g3
Bd6 34. Bd5 Kc7 35. Bf7 Kd7 36. h3 Ke7 37. Bd5 Kd7 38. Bb7 Kc7 39. Ba6 Kb6 40.
Bc8 Kc7 41. Be6 Kc6 42. Kf3 Bc5 43. Ke2 Bd6 44. h4 Kc7 45. Kf3 Bc5 46. Ke2 Bd6
1/2-1/2

[Event "37th Greek Teams, Kallithea GRE"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Tiviakov, S."]
[Black "Rozentalis, E."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2670"]
[BlackElo "2585"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. Nc3 dxe4 7. Ng5 O-O 8.
Ncxe4 Nxe4 9. Nxe4 Bf5 10. O-O Na6 11. Qf3 Bxe4 12. dxe4 Nc5 13. Bc4 b5 14. Be2
Qh4 15. Be3 Ne6 16. g3 Qe7 17. c3 Bc5 18. Bd2 Rad8 19. Rad1 Rd6 20. Bc1 Rfd8
21. h4 R8d7 22. Rxd6 Rxd6 23. Rd1 g6 24. Rxd6 Qxd6 25. Bd1 h5 26. Bb3 Kg7 27.
Kf1 Qd7 28. Ke1 Bb6 29. Qd1 Qe7 30. Qd2 Kg8 31. Bc2 Qc5 32. b4 Qe7 33. Kf1 a5
34. a3 c5 35. Kg2 1/2-1/2

[Event "XI Open, Torredembarra ESP"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Vidarte Morales, A."]
[Black "Mellado Trivino, J."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2440"]
[BlackElo "2415"]
[PlyCount "19"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bb4+ 6. c3 Bd6 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. O-O
Bg4 9. Re1 Nbd7 10. Nf1 1/2-1/2

[Event "XXIX Open, Benasque ESP"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Sulskis, S."]
[Black "Laznicka, V."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2555"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 a5 6. a4 Nbd7 7. O-O Nc5 8. Ba2
dxe4 9. Nxe5 Be6 10. Bxe6 Nxe6 11. dxe4 Qxd1 12. Rxd1 Nxe4 13. Be3 Bc5 14. Nd2
Nxd2 15. Bxd2 Ke7 16. Nc4 b6 17. Be3 Bxe3 18. fxe3 Rhb8 19. Ne5 Nd8 20. Ra3 f6
21. Rxd8 fxe5 22. Rdd3 Rd8 23. h4 Rxd3 24. Rxd3 Ke6 25. e4 b5 26. axb5 cxb5 27.
Rd5 b4 28. b3 a4 29. bxa4 Rxa4 30. Rb5 Ra2 31. Rb6+ Kf7 32. Rxb4 Rxc2 33. Rb5
Kf6 34. Rb6+ Kf7 35. Rb5 1/2-1/2

[Event "III Kings' Tournament, Bazna ROM"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Kamsky, G."]
[Black "Gelfand, B."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2720"]
[BlackElo "2730"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. exd5 cxd5 7. O-O Nc6 8.
Bg5 Be6 9. Nc3 Bc7 10. Nb5 Bb6 11. Re1 a6 12. Nc3 Qd6 13. Bh4 O-O 14. Bxf6 gxf6
15. Qd2 Kg7 16. Ne2 Qb4 17. c3 Qg4 18. d4 Rad8 19. h3 Qg6 20. Ng3 e4 21. Nh4
Qg5 22. Nhf5+ Kh8 23. Qxg5 fxg5 24. f3 exf3 25. gxf3 Na5 26. Kf2 Nxb3 27. axb3
Bc7 28. h4 Rg8 29. h5 g4 30. Nh6 Rg7 31. fxg4 Bxg4 32. Re7 Bxg3+ 1/2-1/2

[Event "TCh-HUN"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nevednichy, V."]
[Black "Polak, T."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2580"]
[BlackElo "2550"]
[PlyCount "25"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]

1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 c6 4. Nf3 d5 5. Bb3 Bd6 6. exd5 cxd5 7. Nc3 d4 8. Ne2
h6 9. O-O O-O 10. Ng3 Nc6 11. Re1 Re8 12. a3 Be6 13. Bxe6 1/2-1/2

[Event "XXXII Open, Donostia San Sebastian ESP"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Salgado Lopez, I."]
[Black "Ivanov, Jo"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C24"]
[WhiteElo "2555"]
[BlackElo "2435"]
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47. Bf8 g4 48. Bd3+ Kh5 49. Be7 Nd5 50. Bd8 Ne3 51. Bc7 f3 52. Kf2 Nd5 53. Bd8
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21. Be3 Rf6 22. Ne4 Rg6 23. Ng3 Bxg3 24. fxg3 Rf8 25. Bf2 Nd7 26. Bd5 Rgf6 27.
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Sean Hewitt

Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Sean Hewitt » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:39 am

Crikey - with no losses, I must start playing the Bishop's Opening :lol:

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:39 pm

Sorry,...

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:50 pm

In fact, amateurs experience theory as a straitjacket. I play at the
ICC. When I defend with the French, the White players tend to play the
exchange variation. It is very tedious to meet this variation in each
other game, so I had to quit the French. So this is how theory affects
amateurs: they do everything they can to avoid theory, so play gets
dull.

However, I sometimes play Chess960 at the ICC. What a difference! You
are confronted with interesting problems in each game, from the first
move. It is much different from playing the French exchange.

I know a lot of chess theory and I play a variety of openings. But it
is remarkable how untheoretical most amateurs are. The result is that
very few games played on the ICC have any theoretical value. Most
games represent an inferior form of chess. It is very sad, because
chess can have such strategical depth and be so beautiful. But when
players play simple-minded variations simply in order to avoid
preparations, then chess quality is degraded. It is a waste of
intellectual energy.

For instance, if a player learns the Marshall attack, then a vista has
opened up to positions of great strategical and tactical value.
Regardless of the result, games will be valuable. However, if he plays
the dickhead variation then he has wasted valuable creative
opportunities.

Mats
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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Ola Winfridsson » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:13 pm

Re the Bishops Opening: I believe Bent Larsen recommended it just in order to reach Ruy Lopez-like positions without having to worry about a myriad of variations. Bent liked to dig out slightly obscure variations and rehabilitating them.

As for amateurs avoiding heavy theory, it's not so strange since it's extremely time consuming to learn (and if your opponent deviates on move 12, or even earlier, and you don't know how to refute it, what's the point of learning 30 moves of heavy theory with all its subvariations?) and as an amateur spending time studying the middle- and endgame probably pays off much more handsomely! That's one of the reasons why the London and Colle systems are so popular, but they're not particularly 'simple' opening system. Easy to play the first few moves, yes, but the resulting positions are very complex.

Furthermore, I'm not sure the internet is a good way of measuring/gauging the opening repertoire of amateurs in general, since the vast majority of them don't play chess competitively.

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:46 pm

One can study openings without learning all the moves by heart. For instance, when I defend with Alechin, only the long positional variations cause me trouble. These build on understanding, rather than exact moves. However, the White players often choose the inferior silly variations, with bishop sacrifice on f7, or whatever. These cause me no problems at all.

Today, it's not time-consuming to learn theory. For instance, one can buy the Opening Instructor CD, or Fritz Powerbooks, etc. It's not a big effort. In fact, it is much more demanding to find your own way in the opening. Theory makes life easier.
/Mats

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by James Coleman » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:54 pm

Is it not the case that for every player that says amateurs don't play theory, there is another player somewhere who complains amateurs are in fact too theoretically booked up, and destroying the game by memorisation? :?

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:08 pm

Mats Winther wrote:It is very tedious to meet this variation in each other game, so I had to quit the French.
Not nearly as tedious as seeing 1... c5 every time you play 1. e4!

The French is good. The amount of times (at least, at my level), you end up winning a pawn or two out of the opening is really ridiculous. As long as you don't get stormed on the K-side, I don't see what's wrong with it. The exchange variation is great for black, it solves his main positional liability - the c8-bishop.

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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Mats Winther » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:30 pm

I quit the French, not because it's bad, but because I was fed up with the exchange variation. The French is an excellent defence.

Studying theory allows you to be creative on the board. The theoretical positions are challenging, strategically and tactically. However, there are certainly those who have misunderstood the concept. But it's not about reiterating moves. Opening study is more than this.
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Re: Fischer Placement Chess

Post by Peter Rhodes » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm

James Coleman wrote:Is it not the case that for every player that says amateurs don't play theory, there is another player somewhere who complains amateurs are in fact too theoretically booked up, and destroying the game by memorisation? :?

I think James makes a good point - I often see ICC 5-0 games played in the 1200-1600 bracket where players are so clued up on their mainline first 12 opening moves that they will overlook any slightly dubious replies and continue with their mainline. Often missing opportunities to capture a hanging pawn, or tactical devices winning a piece (typically pawn pushes that fork two pieces).
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