Worrying times

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Kevin Thurlow
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Re: Worrying times

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 am

I have commented on Chessbase article and it has appeared there. I wonder how quickly it will disappear.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:20 am

Kevin Thurlow quoting Cummins wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:04 am
"Within eight weeks he had ... shed over 33lb of body fat with relative ease."
An unhealthily fast rate then. You'd think he'd know better.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Tim Spanton » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:26 am

Daniel Gormally wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:23 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... perts.html

Daily mail seems to back up some of the theories put on here. (but of course it's the daily mail) Not sure I believe in this, but let's hope it's correct. Only more testing can provide the answers
It's not the Daily Mail, it's Oxford University

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:43 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:09 am

How in God's name does Fred Freidel consider himself qualified to hand out medical advice?

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This is stupid irresponsible quackery.

And not a surprise.

Chessbase has a history of publishing bull**it medical advice. The chess world tolerates Fred and his ilk. Hence it continues.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:33 pm

Does anyone know what this is about?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-conseq ... id#history

It includes

"Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase."

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:42 pm

It means that the chances of getting on top of this in the relatively near future have increased, thankfully.

Though that will still be easier if most people mostly do what they are told......
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Re: Worrying times

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:45 pm

If COVID-19 is not a high consequence infectious disease, then I hope we never have to deal with one.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:13 pm

It is actually relatively mild compared to (for instance) SARS or Ebola.
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Re: Worrying times

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:23 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:13 pm
It is actually relatively mild compared to (for instance) SARS or Ebola.
Except it kills vastly more people.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by David Robertson » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:20 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:13 pm
It is actually relatively mild compared to (for instance) SARS or Ebola
FFS.

Covid-19 is SARS. Precisely, it's SARS-2, and killing at close to the same rate. It isn't MERS (a serious killer). And it isn't Ebola (pre-vaccine, lethal)

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Re: Worrying times

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:58 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 am
I have commented on Chessbase article and it has appeared there. I wonder how quickly it will disappear.
It is still there as of now.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by John McKenna » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:26 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:20 am
Kevin Thurlow quoting Cummins wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:04 am
"Within eight weeks he had ... shed over 33lb of body fat with relative ease."
An unhealthily fast rate then. You'd think he'd know better.
Not a patch on -
Thomas Wilson Barnes (1825-74)...is remembered for having scored more wins than anyone else in friendly games against Morphy... He reduced his corpulence by 130 lbs. in ten months and died as a result. (Oxford Companion)
Although he shed more per month than Barnes he did not keep shedding for nearly as long. What were they at the weigh-in, I wonder.
To find a for(u)m that accommodates the mess, that is the task of the artist now. (Samuel Beckett)

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Paul McKeown » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:27 am

David Robertson wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:20 pm
Covid-19 is SARS.
The Dragon is not the Sveshnikov, even though they are both Sicilian Defences.

SARS-CoV is not SARS-CoV-2, nor vice versa, although they are distinct and identifiable strains of one species of virus which infects horseshoe bats.

Nor are the human diseases that these distinct and identifiable strains of virus the same disease.
killing at close to the same rate
That is not supported by evidence in authoritative publication.

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Re: Worrying times

Post by David Robertson » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56 am

David Robertson wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:20 pm
Covid-19 is SARS. Precisely, it's SARS-2, and killing at close to the same rate
Not sure why I waste my time in here. I spend effort getting things right, only to be told I haven't. Who to believe though? Try here
The Lancet

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Re: Worrying times

Post by Paul McKeown » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:01 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56 am
Not sure why I waste my time in here.
Because you wish to engage in propaganda, egotism, politics and the abuse of statistics?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0695-z
The Coronaviridae Study Group (CSG) of the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses, which is responsible for developing the classification of viruses and taxon nomenclature of the family Coronaviridae, has assessed the placement of the human pathogen, tentatively named 2019-nCoV, within the Coronaviridae. Based on phylogeny, taxonomy and established practice, the CSG recognizes this virus as forming a sister clade to the prototype human and bat severe acute respiratory syndrome coronaviruses (SARS-CoVs) of the species Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus, and designates it as SARS-CoV-2.
The key words here are "sister clade".

The relationship is thus: a species of coronaviruses which contains strains including the virus which caused SARS, a virus identified as being hosted in bats and this new virus which causes the disease, Covid-19.

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