British Chess Championships 2010

[Joey Stewart]

one thing alot of people seem to have missed out on is a bit of credit for nick pert- in most years his performance would have been good enough to win the whole event. he certainly seems to be one of the more under stated masters around these days

[Lee Bullock]

Just a question on the qualifyers on this years champs. (2010) Ali Jaunooby, did great and have no problem with him playing but on the list of the qualifyers he did not qualify. Can or does anybody have any idea how he made it to the champs?

Also another little something is the player who won the u100 grading prize in the u125 Atkins weekender (Miguel Espinosa) had a perf grade of 1952 fide rating at the scottish u1500 champs and he won the event!
http://www.sncl.org.uk/scottish2010/Min ... index.html

Surely this is meant to be revealed or any other grading performances so he can put into correct section. I feel the u125 when he had just won an under 1500 fide event is out of order. He should on that form have won the u125 but was joint 4th i think and won the grading prize over genuin under 100 players. espinosa was given a default rating of 80d!

Any comments would be helpful, thanks.


And here also is a link of the Brittsh qualifyers with no Ali Janooby?

http://www.britishchess2010.com/2010quals-6.htm

[Roger de Coverly]

Just a question on the qualifyers on this years champs. (2010) Ali Jaunooby, did great and have no problem with him playing but on the list of the qualifyers he did not qualify. Can or does anybody have any idea how he made it to the champs?

South Wales International perhaps.

http://www.southwaleschess.co.uk/SWI/html/prizes1.html

The list on the championship site doesn't always have the qualifiers from events just before the British.

Also another little something is the player who won the u100 grading prize in the u125 Atkins weekender (Miguel Espinosa) had a perf grade of 1952 fide rating at the scottish u1500 champs and he won the event!

I don't think that's strictly correct. 1962 isn't fide, rather it's domestic Scottish Elo. Secondly he had a 100% score which the Elo system doesn't handle very well as a performance rating. Another approach is to take the Scottish average of his opposition (1233), convert using the traditional -600 divide by 8 approach to get 79. So he scored 100% against an average field of about 80 which is 130 if you don't iterate with the 50 point rule. It would seem the controllers gave him the benefit of the doubt as a newcomer to British chess to allow entry to the u125 and count as u100 for grading prizes.

[Ian Thompson]

Just a question on the qualifyers on this years champs. (2010) Ali Jaunooby, did great and have no problem with him playing but on the list of the qualifyers he did not qualify. Can or does anybody have any idea how he made it to the champs?

The published list of qualifiers was clearly incomplete. I, for example, should have been on it, but wasn't (which doesn't matter at all as I didn't want to play).

[Roger de Coverly]

The published list of qualifiers was clearly incomplete. I, for example, should have been on it, but wasn't (which doesn't matter at all as I didn't want to play).

On 4NCL performance?

On published rating you would need 2360.

The rules now say you have to claim performance based qualifications.

[Lee Bullock]

Yea thanks Roger.

I kind of thought that before I posted about each but was just asking in case I was wrong.

[Ian Thompson]

The published list of qualifiers was clearly incomplete. I, for example, should have been on it, but wasn't (which doesn't matter at all as I didn't want to play).

On 4NCL performance?

On published rating you would need 2360.

The rules now say you have to claim performance based qualifications.

My 4NCL performance rating is what I had in mind. I see nothing in the qualification rules saying you had to claim qualifications, or anything on the 4NCL website saying that either. That requirement is new for 2011 qualification. I would expect the 4NCL to tell the ECF who had qualified in this way from their event.

[Mick Norris]

Just a question on the qualifyers on this years champs. (2010) Ali Jaunooby, did great and have no problem with him playing but on the list of the qualifyers he did not qualify. Can or does anybody have any idea how he made it to the champs?

Ali was joint first at Bolton Easter 2010, part of the MCCU Grand Prix, and awarded one of the 3 MCCU British Qualifying places

Co-winner Adam Ashton went to Toronto instead

[Lee Bullock]

Thanks Mick. Yea I see. It could of also been the Welsh qualifier also. As I think that also held a place.

[Philip Adams]

Thanks Mick. Yea I see. It could of also been the Welsh qualifier also. As I think that also held a place.

Lee, please, it's "could have"!

[David Haydon]

In response to comments about late arrivals to the british championship -

Last round, i was playing David Spence in the main championship (bd17). I Live in Thurrock (essex) , so its about an hour and 10 minutes drive to canterbury, but like everyday, i left early, around 11:30-12.00. On route to canterbury, a lorry caught fire on top of the dartford crossing, which held up my journey for another 2 hours. I phoned within the first hour, to let the ECF and arbiters know i was late, and for them also to report this problem to my opponent, and to let him decide what he wanted to do.

My game was due to start at 2.15 PM , but i arrived at 3:10 PM. and sportingly, David Spence agreed to play the game. he mentioned nothing about claiming the game, even though it was well within his right for him to do so. and the arbiters even added a further 20 minutes to my clock, so i was only 30 or so minutes down at this time, Dave kindly was not at all worried by this.

I ended up winning the game, but at no time did spence blame me or complain about losing, it just shows he is a real chessplayer, and a true sporting gentleman.

now after being on the road for over 3 hours, the money i had spent (approximately £40 a round) , the day i had off work, i would have been pretty cheesed off if i had been defaulted.

In reflect i would have done exactly the same as to what Spence sportingly did for me - not claiming the game. because this would show how shallow the person is, im brought to a chess board, not to claim a game, but to play it regardless of the situations, true some reasons are not justifiable, but the ones that are should be given some leeway.

Its a shame that so many chess players out there are not willing to play chess, but point grab off one other, no wonder why there are so many sad chess players out there, claiming win from defaults is not a way to make friends, and it certainly is not associated with chess, but rather plain human Stupidity and ignorance.

at the end of the day any real chess player would be more satisfied with winning a game of chess, rather than winning by default. i would only claim the game, if it was really the only option.

David.

[LozCooper]

one thing alot of people seem to have missed out on is a bit of credit for nick pert- in most years his performance would have been good enough to win the whole event. he certainly seems to be one of the more under stated masters around these days

"Nick Pert finished second on 8 with a 2612 performance"

was my brief summary of his achievement in my round-up on the forum & ecf site. He remains one of our strongest Grandmasters and although he wasn't available for the Olympiad I expect he will be challenging strongly for a place in the team in future years. He was also the only player to score anything with black against Mickey Adams at the British.

[Ljubica Lazarevic]

I think in most situations, if you know you're opponent is going to turn up reasonably soon, then you will want to play him. I know of very few people who want to give up their free time only to win by default.

You do also have to be considerate of the tournament/match organiser. If your game is going to finish really late and push everything else out of kilter, then it's not just about you, your opponent, and the unplayed game.

[Roger de Coverly]

My game was due to start at 2.15 PM , but i arrived at 3:10 PM.

Both this and the Rayner-French game in the Major Open the round earlier indicate the possible advantages of returning to a one hour forfeit time in the British Championships if you presume there will be players staying at home and commuting. On a one hour forfeit no special measures would have been needed.

[Scott Freeman]

As an organiser, I know the nightmare that such issues create. There are various groups of players, all of whom have different opinions as to what the rules should be and how they should be implemented. And of course their arguments are all legitimate to be considered as acceptable. I would always prefer to see the game played if possible and feel the word "shallow" as used in a posting above could certainly be appropriatly used at one player for their attitude towards this at the British, if what I have heard about their reasoning for not playing is correct.

I suppose the idea of defaults is so that a player doesn't sit for hours unaware of whether they are going to get a game or not. If a player has called to explain the problem, I think all should be done to accommodate them. As such, with the various CCF club activities, we have implemented an 8-15pm default (clocks start at 7-40pm) but this is extended until the clock runs out for anyone that phones in from 7pm onwards to confirm that they are on their way. That way, the player arriving late can choose whether to default or play the game with no time. With Fischer timings, I guess that helps things a little. The system works very well.

It all reminds me of a terrible story (which I hope I remember correctly) we were told on our arbiting course of a player (in the days of adjournements) in what I assume was a National Club match (or something of that ilk) who travelled from London to the Midlands to continue a game a week after his opponent had sealed a move. At the start time, his opponent had not arrived, so the clock was started. When default time was reached (can't remember whether it was an hour or half an hour), the player present was declared the winner, so the arbiter opened the envelope to see what the sealed move had been. On the piece of paper was written the words "I resign!"