British Chess Championships 2010

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:16 am

Scott Freeman wrote:It all reminds me of a terrible story (which I hope I remember correctly) we were told on our arbiting course of a player (in the days of adjournements) in what I assume was a National Club match (or something of that ilk) who travelled from London to the Midlands to continue a game a week after his opponent had sealed a move. At the start time, his opponent had not arrived, so the clock was started. When default time was reached (can't remember whether it was an hour or half an hour), the player present was declared the winner, so the arbiter opened the envelope to see what the sealed move had been. On the piece of paper was written the words "I resign!"
The days of adjournments? You say that as though they're not played any more...

Although, this can be avoided by the current FIDE Adjournment Guidelines. Now, if the person who sealed is not present, the person at the venue can open the envelope straight away, seal in reply, and start his clock. So he could see in an instant that he resigned. I guess if you're travelling from London to the Midlands, this isn't much consolation!

The BDCL's rule states: "if the player who has made the sealed move be absent his clock shall be started and shall run until he shall arrive or exceed the time-limit, whichever event shall first occur." So you have to wait until he runs out of time. If anyone was going to cause a fuss and seal "resigns" this year, this might be one rule they'd take advantage of...

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:33 am

Scott Freeman wrote:There are various groups of players, all of whom have different opinions as to what the rules should be and how they should be implemented.
Which just goes to show that you should have a rule and stick to it. The worst possible situation is to have a rule and the expectation that it won't be applied. The next worst thing is to have a rule that is so vague that no-one can be sure how it will be applied.

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Richard James » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:56 am

Absolutely no hurry, but are the complete pgns for the British and Major Open going to be made available at some point?

I'd also be interested in seeing the junior games, including the U10 and U11 games that Alex H so much enjoyed entering! :wink:

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:03 am

Richard James wrote:I'd also be interested in seeing the junior games, including the U10 and U11 games that Alex H so much enjoyed entering! :wink:
I can't pass them on; they go in the final massive bulletin which the ECF sells, along with all the other sections from the Championship. If you contact the ECF Office you can buy one (or pre-order them if they're not available yet). I may be biased, but I thought it was a very impressive publication, and certainly well worth the money.

I assume they'll work their way towards Britbase or Chessbase at some point.

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Lee Bullock » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:28 pm

Philip Adams wrote:
Lee Bullock wrote:Thanks Mick. Yea I see. It could of also been the Welsh qualifier also. As I think that also held a place.
Lee, please, it's "could have"!
Get a life. Not everybody is literate. Nor is everyone a genius at English.

And on the comment that someone said about people claiming games easy and not being a gentlemen. There was more to the French/Rayner game than you think. Like no apology from Rayner and French did not know before he claimed the game that Rayner had phoned. So he was left stewing for a long time thinking hes opponent had no class and then when no apology that turned it even more. He told me he would have played the game with a simple apology.
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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:29 pm

Apologies if I have missed this earlier in the thread, but does anyone know who was on the Appeals Committee that made the decision in the Rayner - French game? (or the earlier rabbitte game for that matter).

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:30 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:Apologies if I have missed this earlier in the thread, but does anyone know who was on the Appeals Committee that made the decision in the Rayner - French game? (or the earlier rabbitte game for that matter).
It was covered, but we didn't know who was on the Committee. As far as I know, we still don't.

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:58 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Matthew Turner wrote:Apologies if I have missed this earlier in the thread, but does anyone know who was on the Appeals Committee that made the decision in the Rayner - French game? (or the earlier rabbitte game for that matter).
It was covered, but we didn't know who was on the Committee. As far as I know, we still don't.
I don't think that Warman v Rabbitte went to appeal. It's not clear to me who, if anyone, would have had the right to appeal in that case.

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:00 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:It was covered, but we didn't know who was on the Committee. As far as I know, we still don't.
If the members of the Appeals Committee have not been made public, what was the process for appointing the players' representatives? Did the players have any say in who was going to represent them?

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:12 pm

David Sedgwick wrote: I don't think that Warman v Rabbitte went to appeal. It's not clear to me who, if anyone, would have had the right to appeal in that case.
The other players in the tournament perhaps?

The Major Open is a tough tournament even without the number 3 and number 4 seeds being given bonus half points.
Ian Thompson wrote:what was the process for appointing the players' representatives? Did the players have any say in who was going to represent them?
Not to my knowledge. Not that it's any different to Torquay in 2009, Great Yarmouth in 2007 etc.

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:13 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Alex Holowczak wrote:It was covered, but we didn't know who was on the Committee. As far as I know, we still don't.
If the members of the Appeals Committee have not been made public, what was the process for appointing the players' representatives? Did the players have any say in who was going to represent them?
I have no idea, I'm afraid. Nothing to do with me...

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Philip Adams » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:20 pm

Lee Bullock wrote:
Philip Adams wrote:
Lee Bullock wrote:Thanks Mick. Yea I see. It could of also been the Welsh qualifier also. As I think that also held a place.
Lee, please, it's "could have"!
Get a life. Not everybody is literate. Nor is everyone a genius at English.

And on the comment that someone said about people claiming games easy and not being a gentlemen. There was more to the French/Rayner game than you think. Like no apology from Rayner and French did not know before he claimed the game that Rayner had phoned. So he was left stewing for a long time thinking hes opponent had no class and then when no apology that turned it even more. He told me he would have played the game with a simple apology.
Thank you Lee; I have a very nice life already, mainly due to hard work and good luck.

Good chess requires some precision of thought and mental discipline. Agreed? So does good communication. Bad spelling and bad grammar can create "noise" that can distract the reader from the "message" and thus not only make a bad impression but make the communication inefficient.

This can also be considered an aspect of good manners, which, like our use of language, help distinguish human beings from other species.

Being careless about grammar and spelling also makes a statement about one as a person and is thus likely to affect one's prospects in the education system and the job market. It doesn't require genius, just a little effort.

PS If you want to abbreviate "must have", use "must've". :D

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:22 pm

Philip Adams wrote:PS If you want to abbreviate "must have", use "must've". :D
A friend of mine regularly uses multiple apostrophes in words. E.g. "couldn't've"

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Richard James » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:34 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Richard James wrote:I'd also be interested in seeing the junior games, including the U10 and U11 games that Alex H so much enjoyed entering! :wink:
I can't pass them on; they go in the final massive bulletin which the ECF sells, along with all the other sections from the Championship. If you contact the ECF Office you can buy one (or pre-order them if they're not available yet). I may be biased, but I thought it was a very impressive publication, and certainly well worth the money.

I assume they'll work their way towards Britbase or Chessbase at some point.
Thanks, Alex, but I'd prefer the games in pdf or ChessBase format rather than in the bulletin. In the past, only the games from the British Championship itself have made it into Britbase or ChessBase, to the best of my knowledge.

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Re: British Chess Championships 2010

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:00 pm

Scott Freeman wrote:There are various groups of players, all of whom have different opinions as to what the rules should be and how they should be implemented ... If a player has called to explain the problem, I think all should be done to accommodate them. As such, with the various CCF club activities, we have implemented an 8-15pm default (clocks start at 7-40pm) but this is extended until the clock runs out for anyone that phones in from 7pm onwards to confirm that they are on their way.
I like the clarity of your system. Agree with it or not, everybody knows where they stand. The second sentence I've quoted clearly solves the first.

Obviously the problems come when things are changed hither and thither to meet the circumstances of the moment - for example if somebody hadn't phoned you in advance to say that they would be late and yet arrived after the 8-15pm default time expecting to play.

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