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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:18 am

I had always wondered how good Rachel Reeves was (at chess. I like her politically.)

Today I found out. Annotated game in the Telegraph.

The answer? She's pretty good! Even though the opposition was dire, I can tell she has some positional sense.

Let's hope she has some economic sense when she becomes Chancellor!

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:00 am

Nick Ivell wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:18 am
I had always wondered how good Rachel Reeves was (at chess. I like her politically.)
She played a few games in the 4NCL for North West Eagles in 1995, scoring 2/6. This is her win:


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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:13 am

Thanks for posting that game, which gives ample evidence that Rachel knows how to handle herself on the White side of the Advanced (I really don't like 6....PxP).

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Tim Spanton » Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:51 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:18 am
I had always wondered how good Rachel Reeves was (at chess. I like her politically.)

Today I found out. Annotated game in the Telegraph.

The answer? She's pretty good! Even though the opposition was dire, I can tell she has some positional sense.

Let's hope she has some economic sense when she becomes Chancellor!
She seems to have had a grade of 129 in 1997

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:50 pm

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:40 pm

On today's Pointless chess openings was a theme. They listed 5 (two were bogus) and the contestants had to get the two that nobody knew (scored zero) to increase the prize fund by £500. The Scotch Game and Monkeys Bum were the two pointless answers. In explaining the Monkeys Bum the lad in the chair said it was an idea from Nigel Povah. The other genuine opening was the Evans Gambit which scored one point. (one person in a 100 knew it was a chess opening.)

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Tim Spanton » Wed Apr 05, 2023 9:19 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:40 pm
On today's Pointless chess openings was a theme. They listed 5 (two were bogus) and the contestants had to get the two that nobody knew (scored zero) to increase the prize fund by £500. The Scotch Game and Monkeys Bum were the two pointless answers. In explaining the Monkeys Bum the lad in the chair said it was an idea from Nigel Povah. The other genuine opening was the Evans Gambit which scored one point. (one person in a 100 knew it was a chess opening.)
As a rule-of-thumb, every 100 people includes one saddo

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:32 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 8:40 pm
On today's Pointless chess openings was a theme. They listed 5 (two were bogus) and the contestants had to get the two that nobody knew (scored zero) to increase the prize fund by £500. The Scotch Game and Monkeys Bum were the two pointless answers. In explaining the Monkeys Bum the lad in the chair said it was an idea from Nigel Povah. The other genuine opening was the Evans Gambit which scored one point. (one person in a 100 knew it was a chess opening.)
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Bird's Opening scored 1 point.

The presenter said Ken Coates had said "if that works then I'm a monkey's bum" to give that opening its name. Wikipedia may be their source.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:30 am

Just caught up with an article in the SUNDAY TIMES magazine called 'GAME OVER' by Ralph Jones.It is quite substantial, covering 6 pages.
It is mostly about cheating at chess involving computers. At the end it touches on the problem of the tendency at the top of games, particularly in the World Championship, ending in draws. Nothing new, but well-researched. although I am surprised that their chess correspondent, David Howell, is not quoted.
Snooker also suffers from the problem that the players are getting too good. They quite often have the problem of what is effectively a draw by repetition. Then they have a re-rack. I suspect that sometimes the players are encouraged to play more riskily, or come to a private agreement before play starts. Of course, all frames have to conclude with one of the players winning eventually.
CHESS 960 (Fischer-random) could help solve the problem of staleness at the top. Let us say it is a 20 game match. The admin chooses 10 different set-ups of the original position. The players play one game with white and one with black in each set. Presumably the percentage of arid draws would go down sharply.
First the very best computer would have to be used to weed out positions which favour white too much. To make Chess 960 more popular, a rating system is needed. That would need substantial prizes in order to encourage tournaments. Currently there are too few games played to establish a rating system.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:23 am

Pointless - "Taylor's Joy" is quite a inventive wrong answer. Someone will doubtless now use it...

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:39 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:51 pm
Nick Ivell wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 10:18 am
I had always wondered how good Rachel Reeves was (at chess. I like her politically.)

Today I found out. Annotated game in the Telegraph.

The answer? She's pretty good! Even though the opposition was dire, I can tell she has some positional sense.

Let's hope she has some economic sense when she becomes Chancellor!
She seems to have had a grade of 129 in 1997
Her younger sister Ellie (now a fellow Labour MP) also played a bit but was somewhat weaker.
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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Nick Ivell » Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:58 pm

I don't follow Labour politics very closely. I had no idea Ellie was an MP.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:40 pm

There's a letter in today's Guardian on the "king of chess writers".

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Paul Habershon » Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:39 pm

I normally ignore the Business pages in 'The Times', but I noticed chess in a headline today. World Chess, which owns the online gaming rights of FIDE, has been listed in London with a value of £41.7 million. I hope this link isn't stymied by a paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/worl ... -k9xdlfbwg

The article does perpetuate the 600 million active players assertion, which I think the Forum has rejected as mythical.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:52 pm

Paul Habershon wrote:
Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:39 pm
II hope this link isn't stymied by a paywall
It is, but these aren't.

https://www.londonstockexchange.com/dis ... ain-market
ttps://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/ ... 11498.html

There's also
https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 95284.html

Also https://www.londonstockexchange.com/new ... t/15670019
which seems to have escaped the forum's notice.

In it there is a statement
The global online chess market remains relatively undeveloped as a share of the estimated 600 million adult players globally*, but monthly traffic to chess websites grew by as much as 75% at the end of H1 of 2020 compared to the end of 2019*. Chess gaming has also seen strong growth on Twitch.com, a global streaming platform, where broadcast hours of chess increased by 150% in the past year.

*A 2012 study by YouGov indicated that more than 600 million adults play chess regularly, and at least 70% of the adult population of countries including US, UK, Germany, Russia, and India have played chess at some point during their lives 6.

**Playmagnus Annual Report of 2019
I think research showed that YouGov didn't really say that. Even if it did, nothing in the eleven years since has demonstrated the reliability of the estimate.

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