Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:01 pm

"LOL, although one suspects that those whom Ray might considered "unbiased" wouldn't readily conform to Justin's use of the word."

And probably vice versa as well!

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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Nick Grey » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 pm

Ray ought to donate a dozen of this book to the Kingston library service if he wants us to read it. Set the highest Council Tax in the UK. Get real. Same as for papers - free in the morning & evening. Many cafes offer free papers.

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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:11 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:45 pm
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:26 pm
BTW, does anyone know what the latest is on chessgames (the website)? Is it still being administered on an interim basis, or is it on a more stable long-term footing again?
It's still being updated with games. 1777 games dated 2019 for example.
The new administrator is doing their best, but you get the occasional faux pas such as puzzles being "recycled" in a matter of days.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by John Upham » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:13 am

Gordon Cadden wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:15 am
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:28 am
Goodness. It might become a collector's item! :mrgreen:
Banned books are always sought after. Must put this book on my WANTS list.

Perhaps you could compare the GMRDKOBE book with Lady Chatterley's Lover, Animal Farm or The Canterbury Tales ? They suffered a similar fate.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by JustinHorton » Mon May 20, 2019 7:31 am

The BCM has published a long defence of the book. It is not very good.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by John Upham » Mon May 20, 2019 10:05 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:31 am
The BCM has published a long defence of the book. It is not very good.
The actual location is https://lostontime.blogspot.com/2019/05 ... iddle.html

The BCM review (in terms of attitude) is one of the many reasons I abandoned ship in December 2015.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by JustinHorton » Mon May 20, 2019 10:08 am

Thanks for that: I had htmll which I have now corrected to html.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by O.G. Urcan » Mon May 20, 2019 1:18 pm

One small example here of how Jimmy Adams operates.

My 5 December 2018 article (https://www.patreon.com/posts/meal-ticket-23138934) about the Keene/Jacobs book on the Carlsen-Caruana match took a grand total of four words to point out the book's misspelling "Kieseritsky" instead of Kieseritzky. Jimmy Adams' 11-page defence of the book (and, particularly, of Raymond Keene) in the May 2019 British Chess Magazine has this on page 303:

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Where to start? As a plain matter of fact, Keene has used the misspelling "Kieseritsky" dozens of times over many decades, including, for instance, in his 1974 Nimzowitsch book (and the 1999 algebraic edition). Given that I was born in 1977, I have no idea which "book on Staunton" published when I was five years old Jimmy Adams may have in mind. It cannot be the Keene/Coles work on Staunton because it was published in 1975 and used mainly, though not exclusively, "Kieseritsky." Both spellings are also in the Keene book Staunton's City (2004). Indeed, both can be found there on a single page (page 27).

How computer software may be a consideration in any of this, as Jimmy Adams suggests, is a mystery.

On the subject of spelling, Jimmy Adams' attack on me in the BCM gives my name no fewer than 23 times. He misspells it every single time.

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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by John Upham » Mon May 20, 2019 2:06 pm

O.G. Urcan wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 1:18 pm
On the subject of spelling, Jimmy Adams' attack on me in the BCM gives my name no fewer than 23 times. He misspells it every single time.
- O.G. Urcan
I suspect the "misspelling" of your name was deliberate as an attempt of what JBA might call humour.

The fact that BCM chose to waste so much subscribers publishing space on what objective persons (as opposed to mates of The Penguin) would rate as a dreadful book does not surprise but does disappoint. I had held JBA in higher esteem but possibly there was influence from RDKs circle of friends to publish the article. Unfortunately knowing one of the current owners of BCM leads me to this suggestion.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Mon May 20, 2019 2:20 pm

BCM is still going, then? Who are its current owners?

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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by John Upham » Mon May 20, 2019 2:28 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:20 pm
BCM is still going, then? Who are its current owners?
Just about. They are :

Stephen Lowe (who has deep pockets)
IM Shaun Taulbut (who I get on very well with)

It would be interesting and amusing to ask

Bernard Cafferty, John Saunders, Steve Giddins and Malcolm Pein to give their impressions of the "management" style of SL.

I suspect they would be far too discrete to reveal their true assessment.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon May 20, 2019 3:05 pm

Giddins is a big mate of RDK's isn't he? Or at any rate was.......
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Tue May 21, 2019 9:56 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 3:05 pm
Giddins is a big mate of RDK's isn't he? Or at any rate was.......
But longer ago than that he wasn’t.



Of course the BCM hasn’t only just recently turned to cack. It’s been putrid for years. Well,decades imho, but certainly including John Upham’s time there

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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by John Upham » Tue May 21, 2019 11:33 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 9:56 pm
Of course the BCM hasn’t only just recently turned to cack. It’s been putrid for years. Well,decades imho, but certainly including John Upham’s time there
I agree ! :D

The best period for BCM was that of Brian and Freddy Reilly IMHO but others may disagree.

The meetings we had with the business owners were not my best memories (they were painful) and I should have left much earlier than I did : the writing was on the wall and I buried my head in the sand.

Have a guess at the total budget we were allowed for monthly magazine production... :shock:

From this minuscule budget we had to pay (or not !) contributors, source photographs, typesetting, etc etc.

I completely understand what happened to Steve Giddins, his reasons for leaving and the items he was posting here, there and everywhere : total frustration.
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Re: Chess & Bridge Withdraw Ray Keene's Book from Sale

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed May 22, 2019 12:02 am

John Upham wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 11:33 pm
Have a guess at the total budget we were allowed for monthly magazine production... :shock:

From this minuscule budget we had to pay (or not !) contributors, source photographs, typesetting, etc etc.
I probably saved them 50p three years ago by declining to annotate a game of mine from a recent tournament in return for a free copy of the magazine the game appeared in.

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