Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

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Nick Ivell
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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:07 am

The above is one of the nicest swindles I have ever seen. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:10 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:07 am
The above is one of the nicest swindles I have ever seen. Thanks for posting.
Hi Nick,

Yes that is a cool trick. I found more than I expected to see on RHP. It's not as uncommon as I first thought in OTB games either. I think the tactic should have a name.

A young Carlsen managed to spring it in a 2004 Blitz game.

Magnus Carlsen vs Torben Kallesoe, Bergen, rd 3, 2004.


Black took the b2 pawn. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1820714

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:07 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:49 am
Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:07 pm
Was active in Cumbrian chess a few years ago, and I played him a few times.

Wondered where he had vanished to, and now I know :shock:
If you know where Robin Moss is, I hope you are telling Interpol so that he can be arrested...
I meant in a general sense, I have had no contact with him since 2019.
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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Roland Kensdale » Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:57 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:07 am
The above is one of the nicest swindles I have ever seen. Thanks for posting.
Had skipped the game to come back another time, when I saw Nick's post. For a few microseconds I thought he was referring to the subject of the thread!

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:20 pm

There is a quite widely published game where a young Alberic O'Kelly falls into a similar trap.
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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:24 pm

At a higher level, see the plausible blunder on move 24 in Gelfand v Adams, 2013:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1741263

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:28 pm

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:43 pm

"A Google search found this
https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/ne ... der-alert/"

Thanks Roger, I knew you would get it! I thought the lengthy sentence suggested he had previous. I played him at Hastings in 1984 and I seem to recall he was local then.

And I've managed the 0-0-0 trick also.

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:39 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:43 pm
I played him at Hastings in 1984 and I seem to recall he was local then.
I think he went to school in Bexhill.

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by John Upham » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:38 am

Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:28 pm
Simon Rogers’s has spotted a longer article on Moss in the Scottish Sun; https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1 ... led-fraud/

I assume that

https://www.ecfrating.org.uk/v2/new/pla ... de=115892C is one and the same Robin Moss.
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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Neil Graham » Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:55 am

John Upham wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:38 am
Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:28 pm
Simon Rogers’s has spotted a longer article on Moss in the Scottish Sun; https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/1 ... led-fraud/

I assume that

https://www.ecfrating.org.uk/v2/new/pla ... de=115892C is one and the same Robin Moss.
Yes, as quoted in Christopher's post on Tuesday.

There have been multiple media postings on this - most a copy of the one on the BBC Website emphasising the "chess player" aspect. We can thank HMRC for this as all the coverage is from a press release they issued on Tuesday which no doubt has been forwarded to the media by their Press Office.

https://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/hm-revenu ... er-3278467

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Brendan O'Gorman » Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:59 pm

A tangent, I know, but why do reports say he's been "jailed" when they should say "sentenced to jail".

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Gerard Killoran » Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:07 am
The above is one of the nicest swindles I have ever seen. Thanks for posting.
Swindler swindled?

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Neil Graham » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:00 pm

Brendan O'Gorman wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:59 pm
A tangent, I know, but why do reports say he's been "jailed" when they should say "sentenced to jail".
This is the wording in the HMRC press release - artistic licence to make them look good. It is not known from the reports whether the defendant absconded whilst the case was in progress or whether he was charged and bailed to court and simply failed to turn up.

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Re: Chess and Pension Fraud - allegation

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:08 pm

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