Preferences for a weekender
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:52 pm
I would be obliged if players could give me their preferences for a proposed new weekender tournament.
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If you use Easter or in some years the New Year, a nine round format Thursday, Friday *2, Saturday*2, Sunday*2, Monday*2 becomes possible. For a Seniors tournament or even a junior tournament during school holidays a seven round Thursday, Friday*2, Saturday*2, Sunday*2 can also be considered. You could play Thursday afternoon instead of Thursday evening. Friday evening club nights for league play are unusual, the clash with Thursday matches might become an issue, but there's always the half point bye.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:16 pmI have no idea, Matt. Just trying to work out what people would like to see in a new tournament.
There is no law saying that you must have an increment as long as 30 seconds. In my opinion that is a bad idea even with two rounds per day.Julie Denning wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:38 amI've no strong preference beyond saying that 3 standardplay games in a day isn't practical. If in doubt, just look at the Longson vs Toma game yesterday in the English Women's Championship.
It's standard practice for weekend tournaments taking place over two days. Under current FIDE rules, they aren't both Open and FIDE rated.Typical move rates are 90 minutes with 15 second increments (notional session length three and half hours) or 80 minutes with 10 second increments (session length three hours). In the past 36 in 90 plus 15 was popular.Julie Denning wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:38 amI've no strong preference beyond saying that 3 standardplay games in a day isn't practical.
This is meaningless without time controls. Rating restrictions might also be relevant.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:52 pmI would be obliged if players could give me their preferences for a proposed new weekender tournament.
- from FIDE Handbook https://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=172
For a game to be rated, each player must have the following minimum periods in which to complete all the moves, assuming the game lasts 60 moves.
Where at least one of the players in the tournament has a rating 2200 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 120 minutes.
Where at least one of the players in the tournament has a rating 1600 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 90 minutes.
Where all the players in the tournament are rated below 1600, each player must have a minimum of 60 minutes.
If the intention is to run a tournament that's both Open and FIDE rated, the choice of formats is constrained by the four hour or longer sessions this time limit implies. I think Hastings weekenders some years ago used a non-incremental move rate of 40 moves for 100 minutes plus 20 combined with three rounds in a day, but I don't think anyone has tried three rounds of four hours with increments.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:19 pm
These would correspond to the following time limits
>2200 90 minutes per player per game plus 30 seconds per move
Assuming the game lasts 60 moves, as per the FIDE regulation, thenRoger de Coverly wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:36 pmIf the intention is to run a tournament that's both Open and FIDE rated, the choice of formats is constrained by the four hour or longer sessions this time limit implies. I think Hastings weekenders some years ago used a non-incremental move rate of 40 moves for 100 minutes plus 20 combined with three rounds in a day, but I don't think anyone has tried three rounds of four hours with increments.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:19 pm
These would correspond to the following time limits
>2200 90 minutes per player per game plus 30 seconds per move
That's 240 minutes (4 hours) for each player. 8 hours elapsed time in total for two rounds. Add a third game and it's 12 hours.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:26 pm
Assuming the game lasts 60 moves, as per the FIDE regulation, then
t = 90 + 90 + 0.5 * 60 + 0.5 * 60 = 240
Have I misunderstood something, or made a mistake somewhere?