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“It’s a different bit of paper not the scoresheet so I can make notes on it” was part of Wesley So’s defence IIRCRoger Lancaster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:55 pm- but not if written on a separate piece of paper.
Absolutely, good points by both.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:02 pmThe episode was discussed on here at viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7319.
I agree with the comments of Ian Thompson and Nick Faulks on Page 2.
Luckily I have never yet come across an instance where two players shook hands and then argued as to what the shaking of hands meant. I've heard it happens, though. I accept that chess players are quite capable of being weird and doing weird things.
Well, it's usually resignation. (Especially if its hurled across the room.) Someone can always sort out the live board's misapprehension later. Of course it may be just being clumsy, we've all seen this, but only nine year olds would try to claim this as a resignation. Unless someone's actually seen an adult being a queen down arguing that his opponent resigned instead of accidentally knocking over his king whilst reaching for his bishop. Or his tea. Or scratching his nose.
I think that one is easy. An arbiter is required under the Laws to
I think we'll allow insulin readings to be written on the scoresheet as a special measure. Otherwise the insurance rates might rocket after the bodies piled up.https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018 wrote:take special measures in the interests of disabled players and those who need medical attention,
It happened to me. My opponent's flag fell, we shook hands and he filled out the slip to say 0-1 ( he was White ) and handed it in. A few minutes later he informed the arbiting team that he had in fact given checkmate with his final move and the result should be reversed. Which they did!Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pmLuckily I have never yet come across an instance where two players shook hands and then argued as to what the shaking of hands meant.
Well, I suppose that - if he had in fact given checkmate with his final move before [Rumens/Mabbs] his flag fell - that ended the game there and then. What the later shaking of hands indicated would therefore have been irrelevant. Or am I missing something?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:44 amIt happened to me. My opponent's flag fell, we shook hands and he filled out the slip to say 0-1 ( he was White ) and handed it in. A few minutes later he informed the arbiting team that he had in fact given checkmate with his final move and the result should be reversed. Which they did!Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pmLuckily I have never yet come across an instance where two players shook hands and then argued as to what the shaking of hands meant.
You may be.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:49 pmWell, I suppose that - if he had in fact given checkmate with his final move before [Rumens/Mabbs] his flag fell - that ended the game there and then. What the later shaking of hands indicated would therefore have been irrelevant. Or am I missing something?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:44 amIt happened to me. My opponent's flag fell, we shook hands and he filled out the slip to say 0-1 ( he was White ) and handed it in. A few minutes later he informed the arbiting team that he had in fact given checkmate with his final move and the result should be reversed. Which they did!Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pmLuckily I have never yet come across an instance where two players shook hands and then argued as to what the shaking of hands meant.
Assuming the game was standard play, in which case there would be a record of the moves, I imagine the arbiters felt impelled to reproduce the moves on the opponent's scoresheet to see if the final move was, in fact, checkmate. Question that next crosses my mind is, if the final move recorded was checkmate, would the arbiters then have requested Nick's scoresheet to ensure that they tallied?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:48 pmYou may be.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:49 pmWell, I suppose that - if he had in fact given checkmate with his final move before [Rumens/Mabbs] his flag fell - that ended the game there and then. What the later shaking of hands indicated would therefore have been irrelevant. Or am I missing something?NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:44 am
It happened to me. My opponent's flag fell, we shook hands and he filled out the slip to say 0-1 ( he was White ) and handed it in. A few minutes later he informed the arbiting team that he had in fact given checkmate with his final move and the result should be reversed. Which they did!
In Rumens v Mabbs, there was no dispute that the final move was checkmate.
In Nick's case, after he had left the board thinking that he had won, his opponent and the arbiting team subsequently acted as described.
If this is the episode which I think it is, Nick's opponent did make one entirely accurate allegation. He accused Stewart Reuben of not being a Christian.
That wouldn't necessarily be so unless there was an increment of at least 30 seconds, or with a shorter or no increment, that the remaining time was at least 5 minutes for the player not having a flagfall.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:37 pmAssuming the game was standard play, in which case there would be a record of the moves
I should have said that it was not Standardplay.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:37 pmAssuming the game was standard play, in which case there would be a record of the moves, I imagine the arbiters felt impelled to reproduce the moves on the opponent's scoresheet to see if the final move was, in fact, checkmate. Question that next crosses my mind is, if the final move recorded was checkmate, would the arbiters then have requested Nick's scoresheet to ensure that they tallied?