Is This A Record?
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Is This A Record?
In one of my games at Hampstead over the weekend, White made six consecutive moves in the opening with the same piece.
The game is here: https://beauchess.blogspot.com/2020/02/ ... ecord.html
Unfortunately I have been unable to find anything on the internet to confirm or deny a record.
The game is here: https://beauchess.blogspot.com/2020/02/ ... ecord.html
Unfortunately I have been unable to find anything on the internet to confirm or deny a record.
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Re: Is This A Record?
I don't have a refutation of this claim, but for what it's worth, I was thinking that two likely places to look for such a thing were
(a) an early king hunt with a queen delivering a lot of checks
(b) a desperado sequence with a knight hopping around.
Anyway I looked up desperado on Wikipedia and it gives a game Bogolubow v Schmid in which moves 5 to 9 are played solely by White's queen's knight and Black's king's knight.
So what, you may ask, that's only five moves. Indeed it is, but I notice that had the position been reached not by a Four Knights move order (3 Nc3 Nf6 4 d4 exd4) but via the Scotch (3 d4 exd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6) then the Black knight would indeed have played six consecutive moves, and I wonder whether that particular sequence has ever been played.
(a) an early king hunt with a queen delivering a lot of checks
(b) a desperado sequence with a knight hopping around.
Anyway I looked up desperado on Wikipedia and it gives a game Bogolubow v Schmid in which moves 5 to 9 are played solely by White's queen's knight and Black's king's knight.
So what, you may ask, that's only five moves. Indeed it is, but I notice that had the position been reached not by a Four Knights move order (3 Nc3 Nf6 4 d4 exd4) but via the Scotch (3 d4 exd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6) then the Black knight would indeed have played six consecutive moves, and I wonder whether that particular sequence has ever been played.
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Re: Is This A Record?
Hmm. Interesting. Maybe Berkley - Spanton will have to settle for six consecutive moves with the same piece in the opening and none of them a capture …
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Re: Is This A Record?
I am sure this record could be matched, if not broken. Desperadoes and king hunts seem the right way to go. What about desperadoes where pawns promote in the corner after taking a rook - if a pawn has promoted, is it the same piece?
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Definitely not! For starters, a pawn isn't even a piece …Christopher Kreuzer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:37 pmI am sure this record could be matched, if not broken. Desperadoes and king hunts seem the right way to go. What about desperadoes where pawns promote in the corner after taking a rook - if a pawn has promoted, is it the same piece?
(Also, don't forget I am asking about consecutive moves in the opening)
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Re: Is This A Record?
I think Tim's question might be answered - at least partially - using a Chess Query Language query against an established and comprehensive database of games. I'd do this myself but am pressed for time at the moment.
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I fear that is beyond me, even if CQL could manage it (and I am not sure it could).Angus French wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 pmI think Tim's question might be answered - at least partially - using a Chess Query Language query against an established and comprehensive database of games. I'd do this myself but am pressed for time at the moment.
Re: Is This A Record?
Pan the technicals, guys!
By using mainly one's noodle - souped up with a quick search - it can easily be discovered that...
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.c4 Nb6 4.c5 Nd5 5.Bc4 Nf4 6.Qf3 Ne6...
has been seen at least twice before and is obviously a model answer to Tim's question.
By using mainly one's noodle - souped up with a quick search - it can easily be discovered that...
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.c4 Nb6 4.c5 Nd5 5.Bc4 Nf4 6.Qf3 Ne6...
has been seen at least twice before and is obviously a model answer to Tim's question.
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Re: Is This A Record?
OK, then maybe Berkley - Spanton will have to settle for tying a record for six consecutive moves with the same piece in the opening and none of them a capture …John McKenna wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:30 pmPan the technicals, guys!
By using mainly one's noodle - souped up with a quick search - it can easily be discovered that...
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.c4 Nb6 4.c5 Nd5 5.Bc4 Nf4 6.Qf3 Ne6...
has been seen at least twice before and is obviously a model answer to Tim's question.
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Actually I'm not so sure either. Are there any CQL users out there who could say? (I'm intrigued by CQL - it seems both expressive and arcane.)Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:13 pmI fear that is beyond me, even if CQL could manage it (and I am not sure it could).Angus French wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 pmI think Tim's question might be answered - at least partially - using a Chess Query Language query against an established and comprehensive database of games. I'd do this myself but am pressed for time at the moment.
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Excuse me, got a question.Angus French wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 pmI think Tim's question might be answered - at least partially - using a Chess Query Language query against an established and comprehensive database of games. I'd do this myself but am pressed for time at the moment.
Is CQL simiilar to SQL? where is the database? if It is online What port does it use to connect? is it TCP/IP based? Is there relational tables?
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CQL is like SQL in the sense that it's for querying databases... Er, you'd need to download the program (in Windows or Mac form) and it works against locally-stored chess databases, in .PGN format - check out the link above for more information.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:57 pmExcuse me, got a question.Angus French wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 pmI think Tim's question might be answered - at least partially - using a Chess Query Language query against an established and comprehensive database of games. I'd do this myself but am pressed for time at the moment.
Is CQL simiilar to SQL? where is the database? if It is online What port does it use to connect? is it TCP/IP based? Is there relational tables?
Re: Is This A Record?
Extract from your annotations to the game in your blog -Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:41 pmOK, then maybe Berkley - Spanton will have to settle for tying a record for six consecutive moves with the same piece in the opening and none of them a capture …John McKenna wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:30 pmPan the technicals, guys!
By using mainly one's noodle - souped up with a quick search - it can easily be discovered that...
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.c4 Nb6 4.c5 Nd5 5.Bc4 Nf4 6.Qf3 Ne6...
has been seen at least twice before and is obviously a model answer to Tim's question.
A bit of wishful thinking there then.... 15.Nd5 b6
I partly played this, rather than, for example, 15...Bd6, in the hope White would reply 16.Nxe7+, making it seven consecutive moves with the same piece.
In the blog post you make no comment on your six corresponding replies. If 16.Nxe7 had been played would you have gained 6 tempi and gone on to win?
Were you been mesmerised by that prancing knight?
Could you have played it better if you'd not talked yourself into playing 15... b6 with thoughts of a possible chess record?
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Re: Is This A Record?
A lot of 'if' questions!
I certainly could have played it differently, but 15...b6 seemed to me to be the fun way to play, and anyway was a reasonable move. The real problems with my play came later.
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I certainly could have played it differently, but 15...b6 seemed to me to be the fun way to play, and anyway was a reasonable move. The real problems with my play came later.
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Re: Is This A Record?
Would the game below - with 13 consecutive moves made by the same piece, starting on move 10 - count?Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:19 pmIn one of my games at Hampstead over the weekend, White made six consecutive moves in the opening with the same piece.
The game is here: https://beauchess.blogspot.com/2020/02/ ... ecord.html
Unfortunately I have been unable to find anything on the internet to confirm or deny a record.
(To find the above game I wrote a program in Python using python-chess. The program finds games in a .pgn database which have 7 or more consecutive moves made by the same piece with the sequence starting before move 11. Qualifying games (numbering 106) from a search against the first 1,000,000 games in my main games database are here.)
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