(Chess) Life Returning To Normal

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Simon Rogers
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Simon Rogers » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:34 pm

Angus French wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:25 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:13 pm
Angus French wrote:
Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:49 am

I believe - see here - Scottish schools will retain a mask mandate, have ventilation improvements and use CO2 monitors. I don't think, as currently planned, English schools will have any of these.
I agree that the football risk is probably more likely to come from meeting in pubs before (and after) and travel.
Scotland has said they will drop mask wearing in schools as soon as possible

Scotland also running low on beer I gather
I see that cases in Scotland have spiked in the last few days - 1,815 cases reported on Tuesday and 3,613 cases today. Schools reopened on Monday (16/8) but presumably that's too early to have had an impact.
The Scottish Premier and Football League season started a couple of weeks before.
Cases of Covid-19 are spiking in Northern Ireland aswell.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:41 pm

I'm theoretically playing an event this weekend, somewhere in England, and the organizers require players to do a lateral flow covid test on the morning of the first round, then provide proof that the test is negative. I have no objection to this and hope it gives the right answer.

So I got the test kit, looked at the box, and it was labelled, "Made in China". I know what you're thinking, "The test kit or Covid."

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Re: (Chess( Life Returning To Normal

Post by Nick Grey » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:30 pm

I have a Chess meeting in Cheam [23/8]. no testing first time in ages.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Tim Spanton » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:21 pm

This has appeared at the Hastings & St Leonards club website:



Set out below are the initial measures that should be adhered to in order for the Club remain open, yet be as safe as possible. A copy of this guidance will be placed on the noticeboard in the Richard Almond Room.

This guidance cannot be exhaustive, and it will rely on members using good common sense to ensure all members are kept as safe as possible throughout this difficult time. It is not a policy that can or will be “policed” at all times, but it will be assumed that members wishing to enjoy a game of chess at the club will be trying to follow this guidance. The club has a number of members who have been shielding for the past 12 weeks, and we need to create an environment where they will feel safe and welcome should they too wish to attend.

This guidance will be under continuous review, and members should as a matter of course check the notice board for any changes. Any changes of major significance will be communicated electronically as soon as practicable.

The intention is to make the club available for playing recreational chess, and to enable members to complete games in the internal winter tournaments, during normal opening hours.

Marc Bryant will be available from time to time to help members should it be necessary. If you have any comments, feedback or suggestions, please let him know.

The Committee of Hastings & St Leonards Chess Club

GENERAL GUIDANCE

1.1 Whilst on club premises, all members should use a face mask, unless it is not practicable for medical reasons. Masks may be moved or removed temporarily eg to take a drink. Players are advised to bring their own, though disposable masks will be available for members to use.

1.2 Disposable face masks, hand sanitising gel, disposable gloves and anti-bacterial wipes will be available for members to use throughout their playing session in each playing room. Bins will be provided for disposing of these safely in each room.

1.3 It should not be necessary to use gloves during general game play (but see 9.5), provided members wash their hands regularly and follow the guidance below on cleaning equipment. Gloves are provided for extra peace of mind, for example when a member wishes to touch something which they do not know is clean and virus free, such as a book.

1.4 Whilst members are welcome to turn up and play a game, members are advised they may want to book a table with Marc (especially a formal Championship match) to avoid disappointment.

1.5 Members wishing to watch games in play are asked to observe social distancing guidance at all times. Under no circumstances should members crowd “shoulder to shoulder”, however interesting or exciting a game may be. Each playing table will have 4 chairs, and provided the players are not disturbed, members may wash their hands before using a chair which is not in use.

1.6 Members who feel unwell, have at least one of the Covid 19 symptoms (high temperature, loss of taste, persistent cough etc), are awaiting the results of a test for Covid 19, or have been advised to self-isolate by a competent person, must NOT attend the club under any circumstances, until it is safe for them to do so.

GUIDANCE ON PERSONAL CLEANLINESS

2.1 Adequate hand gel/sanitiser will be placed in both playing rooms and the entrance hall for members to use. Hands should be cleaned frequently, and in any event, when a “change” occurs (eg a trip to the toilet, changing opponents, before cleaning other equipment)

2.2 All members SHOULD clean their hands on entering the Club premises. If there is no hand gel in the entrance hall (eg because it has run out), all members SHOULD make their way to one of the playing rooms and use the gel there BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING ELSE.

2.3 All members should clean their hands regularly throughout their playing session.

GUIDANCE ON THE STORAGE OF PERSONAL ITEMS

3.1 Members are asked to refrain from bringing into the club any items that are not absolutely necessary. Any item brought in increases the risk of contamination to other members and should be avoided.

3.2 The house keeper should be informed where it has been necessary to bring items into the premises eg shopping, so that they can be stored safely away until you leave.

3.2 Coats, hats etc that need to be brought into the club should be stored on the hooks provided in the downstairs hall way and the kitchen landing. Please leave a gap between coats to avoid cross contamination. Coats should not be stored on the back of a chair.

GUIDANCE ON MOVING THROUGHOUT THE CLUB PREMISES

4.1 The premises is an old building with some narrow walkways and stair cases. All members need to be mindful of each other when moving through the club-house.

4.2 Members should specifically avoid passing each other on staircases and the entrance hall. Members should wait until their way is clear before progressing.

4.3 Members should use the landing outside the male toilets to wait until their way up or down the stairs is clear. Members should avoid starting to use the stairs if it is obvious the landing is not free.

4.4 Members should avoid loitering on the landings and walkways, including the entrance vestibule and outside the playing rooms.

GUIDANCE ON THE PROVISION OF REFRESHMENTS

5.1 The kitchen is currently available for members use.

5.2 Should members wish , they can bring their own refreshments, but they must take any rubbish home with them. Bins should only be used as per para 1.2.

5.3 Should members wish to bring a reusable drinking vessel, it will be permissible to refill it from the cold water tap in the kitchen. Anyone using the kitchen for any reason should use disposable gloves.

GUIDANCE ON THE USE OF THE REST-ROOMS

6.1 Both rest rooms will be open for members to use.

6.2 After going to the toilet, members are asked to wipe down all surfaces they have come into contact with using the wipes provided. After cleaning the surfaces, members should wash their hands.

GUIDANCE ON PLAYING CHESS (GENERAL)

7.1 At the start of each day, the playing tables will each be laid out with: boards, clocks and chairs. Playing rooms will also contain gloves, hand sanitising gel, wipes and face masks for members to use. The bins provided should be used to dispose of used wipes and face masks.

7.2 A fresh set of pieces can be obtained from the kitchen on top of the filing cabinet. When you have finished your game(s) and the pieces are no longer required, members should put the pieces on the stairs going to the up stairs flat .

7.3 Where pieces have been stored without being used or touched for at least 72 hours, they can be considered quarantined and safe to use. Ask Marc who will be keeping control of the sets. If there is any doubt, each piece should be cleaned with a wipe prior to being used.

7.4 Wipes should be used to clean the board before play starts and the clock before it is set. It is advised that only one player cleans and sets the clock.

7.5 A stock of score cards should be available in each room. Players should bring their own pens to use if at all possible. If a pen is needed to record a game and you do not have one, please speak to the house keeper.

7.6 The following paragraphs lay out suggestions for playing OTB chess in modified conditions. It is essential to bear in mind they are all designed to minimise or remove all contact between members. Used in conjunction with regular hand washing, they will make the club as Covid safe as it can be.

GUIDANCE ON PLAYING CHESS (BUBBLES)

8.1 Exceptionally and where players agree, it is possible for two opponents to be part of the same “support bubble” and play chess in the normal way without any further modifications. Further guidance on this can be obtained from HMGov website. Where this is the case, players should still ensure equipment is clean before play begins.

FURTHER GUIDANCE ON PLAYING CHESS (SKITTLES)

9.1 In order to avoid the further cleaning of pieces, for informal games only, each players could use one colour from their own designated set exclusively during each playing session at the club. They should use the pieces from their set, Black or White, depending on the colour being played.

9.2 In order to avoid touching an opponent’s pieces, players should remove from the board their own pieces which have been taken. Players may need to indicate verbally which move is being made (eg “Queen takes d5”) in order to facilitate this.

9.3 The player making the move should press his clock after he has placed his own piece on the destination square, even if the piece is in the process of being removed from the board. If the opponent is not at the table when the move is to be made, the player with the move may pause the clock until the opponent returns, but must make the move immediately the game resumes.

9.4 Once the game(s) with that opponent are completed, a player should take his pieces with him to the fresh board.

9.5 As an alternative to 9.1 – 9.4, players could wear gloves. However, these should be changed regularly (eg when going to the toilet, when changing opponents). It is preferable to follow the guidance in 9.6 or 10.2 – 10.8.

9.6 As a further alternative, where 2 members are playing a string of informal games against each other, players could play using the same set throughout, but when changing colour, simply swap the King and Queen over and play reverse. Combined with 9.2, this would be an effective way significantly reducing contact between players.

FURTHER GUIDANCE ON PLAYING CHESS (FORMAL GAMES)

10.1 The suggestions in 9.1 – 9.4 and 9.6 are not within the laws of chess, and should not be used for games which are to be submitted for grading. If the provisions of 8.1 also do not apply, players should follow the guidance in 10.2 – 10.8 in preference to 9.5.

10.2 A full set of pieces should be set up on both boards on the table. Both players should face the same direction, with the clock placed between the boards. Players can have their colour towards them in the usual way.

10.3 When one player makes a move and before he presses the clock, he calls the move in a manner prescribed within the laws of chess (eg “e4” or “pawn to e4”). If both agree before play resumes to use the old notation (eg “pawn to King 4”), this would be acceptable, though the modern notation should be the default. When the move has been made on his board and clearly called, he may press the clock.

10.4 On hearing the move, the opponent will duplicate the move on his own board, and the game continues.

10.5 If applicable, games should still be recorded on scoresheets.

10.6 Players are reminded to be clear in their intentions when calling the moves. The following are example phrases that could be used: “pawn takes pawn” where there is only one legal move that satisfies the description; “pawn takes e5” where more than one pawn take is possible; “pawn on d takes e5” where more than one pawn can take d5; “Knight takes Bishop”; “Knight on c takes Bishop” where more than one Knight can make the capture; “pawn to e8: Queen”.

10.7 Players are permitted to glance over to their opponent’s board to check they have both have the correct position. Where there is any dispute, the clock should be paused until the situation is resolved.

10.8 When speaking, voices should be audible but low so as not to disturb any other players in the room.

MISCELLANEOUS GUIDANCE

11.1 Members should use disposable gloves when read books and magazines in the Almond Room. Gloves should be disposed in the bin immediately afterwards, and hands should be washed.

11.2 Should a member wish to use the library in the Pountney Room, they should arrange via the house keeper in the first instance. At all times, members should use disposable gloves when using the library, and ensure hands are cleaned immediately afterwards.

11.2 Until the situation in the general population improves, members are advised not to bring guests to the club. Anyone coming to drop off or collect members are advised to wait outside. Should exceptionally a member wish to bring a guest to the club in order to play, they should only do so with the advance permission of the Chairman, and guests should be made aware of this guidance before they arrive.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:46 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:21 pm
GUIDANCE ON PLAYING CHESS (BUBBLES)

8.1 Exceptionally and where players agree, it is possible for two opponents to be part of the same “support bubble” and play chess in the normal way without any further modifications. Further guidance on this can be obtained from HMGov website.
This is presumably where it adds

"This guidance was withdrawn on 19 July 2021"

The whole document looks out of date.
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Phil Neatherway » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:02 pm

Or alternatively, it is HMG's website that is out of date, in view of the increasingly worrying Covid stats.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:41 pm

Phil Neatherway wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:02 pm
Or alternatively, it is HMG's website that is out of date.
You can call me old-fashioned, but I think that when you tell people they must follow Government restrictions, they should be the ones that are actually in force rather than those which in your personal opinion should be in force.
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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:41 pm
You can call me old-fashioned, but I think that when you tell people they must follow Government restrictions, they should be the ones that are actually in force rather than those which in your personal opinion should be in force.
Also can we ask the other question? Is it really true that chess sets, boards and clocks are dangerous spreaders of disease, so much so that any number of mitigations have to be employed?

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Phil Neatherway » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:08 pm

Call me old fashioned but I don't think told anyone what they should do.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Tim Spanton » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:15 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:41 pm
You can call me old-fashioned, but I think that when you tell people they must follow Government restrictions, they should be the ones that are actually in force rather than those which in your personal opinion should be in force.
Also can we ask the other question? Is it really true that chess sets, boards and clocks are dangerous spreaders of disease, so much so that any number of mitigations have to be employed?
I stayed at an Ibis in Leeds last weekend while playing at Ilkley.
The hotel had removed the hairdryer and spoons from my room because of covid, but left the TV remote control ...

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Simon Rogers » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:55 am

Tim Spanton wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:15 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:41 pm
You can call me old-fashioned, but I think that when you tell people they must follow Government restrictions, they should be the ones that are actually in force rather than those which in your personal opinion should be in force.
Also can we ask the other question? Is it really true that chess sets, boards and clocks are dangerous spreaders of disease, so much so that any number of mitigations have to be employed?
I stayed at an Ibis in Leeds last weekend while playing at Ilkley.
The hotel had removed the hairdryer and spoons from my room because of covid, but left the TV remote control ...
How is the National Chess Centre in Ilkley, Tim?
Did you visit the Royal Armouries in Leeds?

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Tim Spanton » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:29 am

Simon Rogers wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:55 am
Tim Spanton wrote:
Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:15 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 pm


Also can we ask the other question? Is it really true that chess sets, boards and clocks are dangerous spreaders of disease, so much so that any number of mitigations have to be employed?
I stayed at an Ibis in Leeds last weekend while playing at Ilkley.
The hotel had removed the hairdryer and spoons from my room because of covid, but left the TV remote control ...
How is the National Chess Centre in Ilkley, Tim?
Did you visit the Royal Armouries in Leeds?
It's not a national chess centre, and is quite small, but very interesting - quite a facility for any town or city to have. I posted some pix at my blog: https://beauchess.blogspot.com/2021/08/ ... y-one.html

No to the Royal Armouries - did not even occur to me!

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Matthew Turner » Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:47 am

The Chess Centre is an incredibly interesting project. I think a key aspect of it is that the organisers want to prove that there is a working model, so there is no reason why it could not be replicated in Bristol, Manchester or Worksop.
As I understand it, the endeavour could not really be a business, but it can be easily self-financing. The amounts invested by Andrew and Matt are significant, but they would be well within the means of lots and lots of people. So, if you have suddenly found yourself working from home because of the pandemic and have now realised this is a longer term scenario then you might think about setting up your own chess centre and having it as your fully kitted out office during the day.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by MartinCarpenter » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:46 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:41 pm
You can call me old-fashioned, but I think that when you tell people they must follow Government restrictions, they should be the ones that are actually in force rather than those which in your personal opinion should be in force.
Also can we ask the other question? Is it really true that chess sets, boards and clocks are dangerous spreaders of disease, so much so that any number of mitigations have to be employed?
It seems a bit unclear - it isn't something they've been talking about very much at all but the bits I have seen have been emphasising it spreading more via air droplets rather than contact with surfaces.

Maybe its just really hard to be sure.

The Government message ATM is far from clear cut of course. They've dropped the legal bit but not much more than that.

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Re: (Chess) Life Returning To Normal

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:04 am

I am looking forwards to taking a team to Ilkley in the Silver Rook competition in October. It is a great place and project.
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