Told I shouldnt enter opens

[AlanLlewellyn]

i have been barred from some events like the northumbrian masters and blackpool open, because they said i wasnt highly rated enough, the northumbrian masters was particularly cruel because i had already booked a 700 pound hotel without a facility for refund, but i accept Tim Walls explanation though was saddened by it immensely. But when i have entered opens i usually get a draw vs a 170 180 or 190 grade almost everytime and i have entered about 12 opens. and yet according to people that have made coments about me enetering, they say that isnt good enough and i shouldnt enter.

[AlanLlewellyn]

I include a draw vs a 192 grade in the blackpool open below
[Event "Blackpool (Open)"] [Site "Blackpool, Imperial Hotel"] [Date "2014.03.08"] [Round "3"] [White "Llewellyn, Alan Mansel"] [Black "Abdullayev, Shami"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "A34"] [WhiteElo "1400"] [BlackElo "2130"] [Annotator "Llewellyn,Alan"] [PlyCount "104"] [EventDate "2014.03.07"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "5"] [EventCountry "ENG"] 1. c4 c5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. e4 d6 4. d3 g6 5. f4 Bg7 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be2 a6 8. O-O Qc7 9. Qa4 Bd7 10. Qa3 Rb8 11. e5 dxe5 12. Qxc5 b6 13. Qa3 exf4 $17 14. Qxa6 $4 O-O $4 (14... Nb4 $3 15. Qa3 $4 (15. Nb5 Nxa6 16. Nxc7+ Nxc7 $19) 15... Nc2 $19) 15. Nb5 Qd8 16. Bxf4 Rc8 17. Be3 Rb8 18. Bf4 Bc8 19. Qa4 Rb7 20. Nd6 $5 $13 ( 20. d4 $3) 20... exd6 21. Qxc6 d5 22. Ne5 Re7 23. d4 Bb7 {I was threatening Bg5.} 24. Qa4 Nd7 25. cxd5 Nxe5 26. Bxe5 {the obvious 26...f6 loses.} Bxe5 ( 26... f6 27. d6 Ree8 28. d7 Re7 29. Bc4+ Kh8 30. Bd6 Rxd7 31. Bxf8 Bxf8 32. d5 $18) 27. dxe5 Qxd5 28. Bf3 Qc5+ 29. Kh1 Bxf3 30. Rxf3 Qxe5 31. Raf1 $6 Qxb2 32. Rb3 Qe2 33. Qb5 Qxa2 34. Rb2 Qa5 35. Qxb6 Qxb6 36. Rxb6 Rc8 37. Rbf6 Rc2 38. Kg1 $6 Kg7 $6 (38... Ree2 39. R1f2 Rxf2 40. Rxf2 Rc1+ 41. Rf1 Rxf1+ 42. Kxf1) 39. h4 h5 40. Kh1 Rc4 41. g3 Rc2 42. R1f2 Rxf2 43. Rxf2 Rc7 44. Kg2 f6 45. Rf3 Rc5 46. Kh3 Rc4 47. Kg2 Rc2+ 48. Kh3 g5 49. hxg5 fxg5 50. g4 h4 51. Rf7+ $3 Kg8 52. Rg7+ $3 Kxg7 {Its stalemate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, the point of the Rook sacrifice.} 1/2-1/2

[AlanLlewellyn]

I was actually barred from entering the isle of man major section one time, i ws told it was very strong this is despite me getting 3.5/5 and 3/5 a few times in majors

[AlanLlewellyn]

My chess career has been full of bitter sweet moments, i was allowed to enter the isle of man masters (yes amazingly), but turned down later from the isle of man major section, i was allowed to play such greats as nigel short and daniel king in the person simuls but turned down from the northumbrian masters, i was also allowed to play such a great as Vishy Anand in 2012 online in a simul but was turned down from playing the 2007 open section in blackpool.

[AlanLlewellyn]

[Event "ICC"] [Site "Internet Chess Club"] [Date "2007.04.21"] [Round "?"] [White "Anand, Viswanathan"] [Black "Llewellyn, Alan Mansel"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "E90"] [WhiteElo "2786"] [BlackElo "1400"] [Annotator "Llewellyn,Alan"] [PlyCount "79"] [EventDate "2007.??.??"] [TimeControl "5400+5"] 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. h3 e5 7. d5 Nh5 8. g3 f5 9. exf5 Bxf5 $2 (9... gxf5 {I was freightened of Nxe5 here but it doesn't work due to the king being exposed.} 10. Nxe5 Qe8 11. Be2 Qxe5) 10. g4 e4 11. Nd4 Bxg4 12. hxg4 Qf6 13. Be3 c5 14. Ne6 Nf4 15. Nxf4 Nd7 16. Ne6 Ne5 17. Be2 Nd3+ 18. Bxd3 exd3 19. Rh3 Rfe8 20. Qxd3 Rxe6 21. dxe6 Qxe6 22. Qd5 Re8 23. O-O-O Kh8 24. Qxe6 Rxe6 25. Rdh1 Bxc3 26. bxc3 Re7 27. Kc2 Kg8 28. Kd3 b6 29. f4 Rd7 30. f5 gxf5 31. gxf5 d5 32. cxd5 Rxd5+ 33. Ke4 Rd7 34. f6 Rf7 35. Kf5 a5 36. Bh6 Rd7 37. Ke6 Rd8 38. Rg3+ Kh8 39. Bg7+ Kg8 40. f7# 1-0
this game was against the soon to be world champion!!!! I paid 80 pounds to enter the simul held on the ICC. I was not long out of hospital and was suffering from lck of practice and lack of concentration.

[AlanLlewellyn]

if your wondering why i didnt resign in the above game its because i couldn't concentrate so the game lasted only 15 minutes and for 80 pound i wanted to atleast get a few moves on the board.

[IM Jack Rudd]

In general, I'd say that tournaments wishing to restrict entries on the basis of strength really should put an explicit lower limit on rating or whatever.

I can't say that I would do this for most tournaments, but title-norm Swisses are a potential exception; really low-rated players entering them does actually make it more difficult for players to achieve norms.

[AlanLlewellyn]

say Jack that were true and its not because there is a 400 rating difference limit on the level of player rating on fide. so a 1800 and a 1492 would both count as 2000 to a 2400. Please correct me if im wrong?

[AlanLlewellyn]

and you would get a rating performance of 2500 in that case in effect its free rating points

[Chris Rice]

In general, I'd say that tournaments wishing to restrict entries on the basis of strength really should put an explicit lower limit on rating or whatever.

I can't say that I would do this for most tournaments, but title-norm Swisses are a potential exception; really low-rated players entering them does actually make it more difficult for players to achieve norms.

Mr Llewellyn's grade is 1583 on the last rating list so the Major U-1750 was presumably the tournament the organisers of the Northumbria Chess Masters wanted players of that grade to play in. However, it clearly states on the ECF Calendar information that the Northumbria Masters is "open to all" so it seems surprising to me that there was even a conversation with Tim Wall about it. Was it possible that Tim was the good guy here and was simply suggesting that while Alan was perfectly entitled to enter the Masters the competition was potentially too hot for a player of Alan's grade and he might end up getting battered and that perhaps he might be better off in one of the lower sections?

[IM Jack Rudd]

Right. There's been a recent rule change such that a player can only upgrade one opponent over the course of a tournament, although typically that wouldn't matter much.

But the actual problem is something different, and it relates to the fact that title norms currently work on the average rating of the player's opponents, and only one player can be upgraded to a floor rating (2200 for GM norms, 2050 for IM norms). Suppose you play a 2200 in the first round of a big open and you actually manage to win. This screws with the norm chances of the 2200 you beat, as it should. But it also screws with the norm chances of the 2300 you get paired against in round 2: they've now played you and some 1600 and can only treat one of you as the floor rating.

[AlanLlewellyn]

In general, I'd say that tournaments wishing to restrict entries on the basis of strength really should put an explicit lower limit on rating or whatever.

I can't say that I would do this for most tournaments, but title-norm Swisses are a potential exception; really low-rated players entering them does actually make it more difficult for players to achieve norms.

Mr Llewellyn's grade is 1583 on the last rating list so the Major U-1750 was presumably the tournament the organisers of the Northumbria Chess Masters wanted players of that grade to play in. However, it clearly states on the ECF Calendar information that the Northumbria Masters is "open to all" so it seems surprising to me that there was even a conversation with Tim Wall about it. Was it possible that Tim was the good guy here and was simply suggesting that while Alan was perfectly entitled to enter the Masters the competition was potentially too hot for a player of Alan's grade and he might end up getting battered and that perhaps he might be better off in one of the lower sections?

it wasnt this years northumbrian masters it was 2018 same info to jack rudd, and my fide is 1492 and i have entered and played in the isle of man masters and the london classic super rapidplay. the first i got 1/9(from a bye the single point) but the second i got 4/10 when speelman got 7/10 in same tournament and i finished above some ims

[AlanLlewellyn]

my rapidplay rating is running at 1773

[Joey Stewart]

As a general rule, open players are strongly opposed to having to play against very low rated opponents - it is a waste of a game to them which will either be too easy or mind numbingly boring as the lower rated player desperately scrapes for a draw and at the end of it even a win gives zero reward.

[AlanLlewellyn]

why dont you emphasise the very low, I know i did when i read it