out of the blue in an english line i invented

[AlanLlewellyn]

[Event "T93 Team 45 45 (u1300)"] [Site "?"] [Date "2022.07.30"] [Round "3"] [White "Llewellyn, Alan Mansel"] [Black "isolani"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "A16"] [WhiteElo "1554"] [BlackElo "1304"] [Annotator "Llewellyn,Alan"] [PlyCount "41"] [EventDate "2022.07.30"] [SourceVersionDate "2022.07.30"] [WhiteTeam "Hedgehogs"] [BlackTeam "RedDeMate K"] 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 g6 3. e4 d6 4. d3 Bg7 5. f4 Nc6 6. Nf3 O-O 7. Be2 Bg4 8. O-O e5 9. Nxe5 Bxe2 10. Nxc6 bxc6 $2 $16 (10... Bxd1 11. Nxd8 Bc2 12. Nxb7 Bxd3 13. Re1 Rfe8 14. e5 dxe5 15. fxe5 Ng4 16. Bf4 Nxe5 17. Re3 Bxc4 18. Rae1 f6 19. Na5 Bf7 20. Bxe5 fxe5 21. Nb5 Rad8 22. Nc6 Rd2 23. Nxc7 Rf8 24. a3 Rxb2 25. Kh1 Bc4 26. Nxe5 Rf1+ 27. Rxf1 Bxf1 28. Kg1 Bxg2 29. Nc4 Ra2 30. Re8+ Bf8 31. Ne6 Kf7 32. Rxf8+ Kxe6 33. Rf2 Rxf2 34. Kxf2 $19) 11. Qxe2 Nd7 12. Be3 f5 $2 $16 13. g4 $2 $14 fxe4 $6 $14 (13... Bxc3 $14) 14. Nxe4 c5 $2 $16 15. f5 Rb8 16. Bg5 $1 Qe8 17. f6 $5 Nxf6 $4 $18 18. Bxf6 Bxf6 19. Rxf6 Qe5 (19... Rxf6 20. Nxf6+ Kf8 21. Nxe8 Rxe8 22. Qxe8+ $1 {this move is whats called technique it simply makes life easier for White.} Kxe8 $18) 20. Rxf8+ Rxf8 21. Rf1 {the position is hopeless for black he is a piece and a pawn down.} 1-0

[AlanLlewellyn]

The out of the blue is in the position below i play 9 Nxe5 which is a mistake but its not at all obvious why. if you have the same position but both sides havent castled its an even position because the king can defend the d3 pawn easily.

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[AlanLlewellyn]

The line from 9.Nxe5 which makes this a mistake goes 9...Bxe2 10 Nxc6 Bxd1 11 Nxd8 Bc2!! 12 Nxb7 Bxd3 and the Blacks light squared bishop picks up a whole load of centre pawns.

[Tim Spanton]

In what sense did you invent this line? The position up to and including 8.0-0 is known from a 1979 Polish game, Błażej Olchówka (1673) - Marcin Olesiak (1979). That continued 8...Nd7!? 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Bxf3 with what looks like a roughly even position (but 1-0, 38 moves).

[John Upham]

In what sense did you invent this line? The position up to and including 8.0-0 is known from a 1979 Polish game, Błażej Olchówka (1673) - Marcin Olesiak (1979). That continued 8...Nd7!? 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Bxf3 with what looks like a roughly even position (but 1-0, 38 moves).

Tim,

Was the game you quote widely published?

I'd be interested to know which publications carried this game.

[Roger de Coverly]

Was the game you quote widely published?

I don't think it matters. Chessbase and similar have been around for over thirty years and megasized databases capturing all the recorded historic games almost as long. If claiming a novelty, it has to be something never previously played, not something never previously published in book or article form.

[AlanLlewellyn]

some odd things happened when i started playing this line back in 2010, namely everytime i looked for other games played in the line, more historic games in the line appeared, like someone was adding lines either made up or found from other databases.

[AlanLlewellyn]

Was the game you quote widely published?

I don't think it matters. Chessbase and similar have been around for over thirty years and megasized databases capturing all the recorded historic games almost as long. If claiming a novelty, it has to be something never previously played, not something never previously published in book or article form.

i am claiming 9 Nxe5 as a novelty(which isnt in livebook) and i am claiming i was the first player to play the d3 kid as a regular system

[Nick Ivell]

Not sure I would give 11....Bc2 two exclamation marks.

[AlanLlewellyn]

i played a similar line for the first time in 2016( the Knight takes e5) thats when i invented it,
[Event "Welsh Championships (Major/Open)"] [Site "Cardiff, Park Inn North Hotel"] [Date "2016.03.25"] [Round "1"] [White "Llewellyn, Alan Mansel"] [Black "Wagner, Guy"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "A10"] [WhiteElo "1514"] [BlackElo "1780"] [PlyCount "68"] [EventDate "2016.03.25"] [EventType "swiss"] [EventRounds "7"] [EventCountry "WLS"] 1. c4 f5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. d3 d6 4. e4 e5 5. f4 Nc6 6. Nf3 fxe4 7. dxe4 Bg4 8. Be2 Be7 $6 9. Nxe5 $3 dxe5 10. Bxg4 Nd4 $3 11. O-O Bc5 12. Kh1 Nc2 $2 13. Bh5+ g6 14. Bxg6+ $4 (14. Qxc2 Nxh5 15. fxe5 Qh4 16. Qd3 Rd8 17. Nd5 c6 18. Bh6 cxd5 19. cxd5 a6 20. Qf3 Rc8 21. e6 Kd8 22. Qc3 Rg8 23. Rac1 Rc7 24. Qe5 g5 25. Rf5 Kc8 26. Rf7 Ng3+ 27. Qxg3 Qxg3 28. hxg3 $18) 14... hxg6 15. Qxc2 Ng4 16. h3 Qh4 17. Qe2 $4 (17. fxe5 $11) 17... Nf2+ $4 (17... Qg3 $19) 18. Rxf2 Bxf2 19. Be3 Bxe3 20. Qxe3 Qxf4 21. Qxf4 exf4 22. Nd5 O-O-O 23. Nxf4 Rd2 24. Nxg6 Re8 25. h4 Rxe4 26. h5 Rg4 27. Rf1 Rgxg2 28. Rf8+ Kd7 29. Ne5+ Kd6 30. Ng4 $3 Kc5 31. Rf5+ Kb6 32. Ne3 Rh2+ 33. Kg1 c6 34. Nf1 $4 (34. Rg5 $19) 34... Rdg2# 0-1

[Stephen Westmoreland]

My chessbase app has this played in 2003 and black won. Interesting game.

[John Sellen]

" an english line i invented"
This is all getting a bit tiresome

[Matt Mackenzie]

17....Qg3 is a pretty basic thing to miss.

[Roger Lancaster]

Was the game you quote widely published?

I don't think it matters. Chessbase and similar have been around for over thirty years and megasized databases capturing all the recorded historic games almost as long. If claiming a novelty, it has to be something never previously played, not something never previously published in book or article form.

Not sure I really agree. If I play what I genuinely believe is a TN, and there is indeed no previous published record of that move having been played, I don't think that the subsequent revelation that it was played some years earlier by two 8-y-o's during school lunch break alters this.

[Kevin Thurlow]

Interestingly, I don't believe Magnus Carlsen played the English Opening until he saw me play it at Gausdal (and joined in the post mortem). It's probably just a coincidence, but I prefer to think otherwise.