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I have entered around 80 players into SM for a tournament 0n November 13th and now the latest ENGR rating list has appeared.

Is there a way to update the displayed ratings for the entries so far in Swiss Manager in one fail swoop?

As the first step I have imported the latest ENGR and ENG lists.

I could go through each player one at a time of course.

John,

SM Other > Update ratings / data.

Then choose the select your rating list from the selection provided and select from the radio butons whether you are you using national id or FIDE Id as a key in your chosen rating list. Select which fields you wish to update from the checkbox. Click on "Start test" if you wish to see the results without actually carrying it out, or "Start update" to do it.

Paul McKeown wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:57 pm

John,

SM Other > Update ratings / data.

Then choose the select your rating list from the selection provided and select from the radio butons whether you are you using national id or FIDE Id as a key in your chosen rating list. Select which fields you wish to update from the checkbox. Click on "Start test" if you wish to see the results without actually carrying it out, or "Start update" to do it.

Thanks Paul. When I use the ENGR list the ratings get replaced with "0" and the Clubs are replaced with "H".

I suspect that the ENGR rating list format has been modified without considering the impact on SM users.

Edit: I now know not to use the _csv ENGR but to use the _SM ENGR.
However, the clubs are still replaced with H.

There is definitely a problem importing the ENGR rating list into SM.

It would appear that the ECF have altered the format of the _SM rating list and moved columns about.

The consequence is that when you import players their clubs appear as "H".

No idea if those responsible are aware of this.

John Upham wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:22 am

It would appear that the ECF have altered the format of the _SM rating list and moved columns about.

It also seemed to affect Congresses using their own entry list.

Witney was fixed somehow
http://www.witneychess.co.uk/9thwitney_entries.htm
4NCL Harrogate, the fix may still be outstanding
https://www.4ncl.co.uk/fide/entrants_29.htm

Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:44 pm

John Upham wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:22 am

It would appear that the ECF have altered the format of the _SM rating list and moved columns about.

It also seemed to affect Congresses using their own entry list.

Witney was fixed somehow
http://www.witneychess.co.uk/9thwitney_entries.htm
4NCL Harrogate, the fix may still be outstanding
https://www.4ncl.co.uk/fide/entrants_29.htm

A bodge is to download the ENGR and then manipulate the columns to get them into the correct format.

Is it too much to ask that the ECF would work with SM to allow the import to actually work correctly?

I will ask Sue Ellen Bravehart for help.

Anyone know what the function

"Show Protocol in Editor" does in Swiss Mangler?

I assume that it shows the protocol in the editor.

John Upham wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:09 pm

Anyone know what the function

"Show Protocol in Editor" does in Swiss Mangler?

I assume that it shows the protocol in the editor.

Are you getting this as an option on the upload to chess-results.com function?

It shows some information about the transfer in in the configured List directory. The file is called SwissManagerDmp.txt. I have never found it useful, nor have I ever found it documented. You could ask the author of the software, but I suspect it is just some ancient data transfer debugging tool that just is there without any great reason for being there nor without any real use to 99.9% of the software's users.

Here is a sample SwissManagerDump.txt file created by "Show Protocol in Editor"

Start File transfer to server
File transfer ok
Start reading Swiss-Manager file on server
Reading Swiss-Manager file on server ok
Start inserting into tournament database
Inserting into tournament database ok
UPLOAD OK
Info: Upload restricted to the creator of the Swiss-Manager File

Thanks Paul for your help.

Anyone know what functionality

"Cutoff Date"

has in the Set-Up Tournament / Tournament Data dialogue screen?

Thanks for your help as always.

John Upham wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:34 pm

Anyone know what functionality

"Cutoff Date"

has in the Set-Up Tournament / Tournament Data dialogue screen?

It sets the base date for classifying by age as players are input from an import file. So, you could set the tournament as e.g. age by calendar year (FIDE) or e.g. age by academic year (EPSCA).

Paul McKeown wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:15 am

John Upham wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:34 pm

Anyone know what functionality

"Cutoff Date"

has in the Set-Up Tournament / Tournament Data dialogue screen?

It sets the base date for classifying by age as players are input from an import file. So, you could set the tournament as e.g. age by calendar year (FIDE) or e.g. age by academic year (EPSCA).

Thanks as always Paul. I assumed it was something like that but great to have your confirm.

What sequence of Tie Breakers (one is allowed up to five) would you use for a Team Event?

Thanks for your help.