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Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:51 am
by Peter Rhodes
Kasparov talks for an hour on a number of subjects : his infamous game vs IBM, Computers, Politics, Magnus Carlsen ,Psychology and Improvement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hf31xOhchY

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:36 pm
by matt_ward
Is he still coming up with excuses why IBM computer beat him?

Matt.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:30 pm
by Peter Rhodes
It was pretty unusual for a computer at that time to find a move like f4 in a tournament time limit, and then they took the machine to bits when it would have been so easy to prove Kasparov wrong simply by re-creating the position.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:25 pm
by Joey Stewart
the deep blue team DEFINATELY cheated. No computer was on par with that 'technology' at the time - it is impossible to think that they were at least 10 years ahead of their time with the machine they had created.
It is a scientific fact, virtually.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:43 pm
by Alex Holowczak
Joey Stewart wrote:the deep blue team DEFINATELY cheated. No computer was on par with that 'technology' at the time - it is impossible to think that they were at least 10 years ahead of their time with the machine they had created.
It is a scientific fact, virtually.
*definitely

I'm sorry for being pedantic, but if you're going to draw attention to it like that, at least spell it right. :wink:

(I wouldn't normally do this, but 99% of the time I see that word, it's spelt incorrectly.)

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:47 pm
by Carl Hibbard
What is the plural of pedantic?

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:54 pm
by Joey Stewart
Carl Hibbard wrote:What is the plural of pedantic?
I have noticed this error before, but forgot about it until today. When you click "quote" it sends a private message to somebody instead of making another post in the thread.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:55 pm
by Joey Stewart
Oh, wait a minute, now it is working fine. Something strange is going on tonight.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:52 am
by Carl Hibbard
Joey Stewart wrote:Oh, wait a minute, now it is working fine. Something strange is going on tonight.
Send me some more details please if you are seeing any sort of errors since I have not seen or experienced that one before?

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:11 am
by Nick Thomas
Peter Rhodes wrote:It was pretty unusual for a computer at that time to find a move like f4 in a tournament time limit, and then they took the machine to bits when it would have been so easy to prove Kasparov wrong simply by re-creating the position.
I think the move in question was Be4. The logs have been published for all the games which I think pretty much puts the whole thing to rest.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:12 am
by Michael Jones
Joey Stewart wrote:the deep blue team DEFINATELY cheated. No computer was on par with that 'technology' at the time - it is impossible to think that they were at least 10 years ahead of their time with the machine they had created.
It is a scientific fact, virtually.
Bear in mind that in most of the subsequent human vs computer matches, the engines (mostly Fritz or Junior) were running on more or less standard desktop PCs, whereas Deep Blue was the fastest supercomputer IBM could make; its software wasn't as good as later engines, but its hardware was better. The Deep Blue team cheating is very far from being a 'scientific fact'; evidence for it is at best circumstantial and at worst non-existent. Kasparov didn't exactly have a reputation for being gracious in defeat (touch move violation against Polgar; rant about Radjabov's win at Linares being voted the game of the tournament solely because he lost, etc.) so his whinge against Deep Blue was most probably just another case of sour grapes.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:54 pm
by Peter Rhodes
The logs have been published for all the games which I think pretty much puts the whole thing to rest.
By logs - we are talking about the list of candidate moves and the engine evaluation of each ?

If that has been published - where can I find a copy ?

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:02 pm
by Nick Thomas

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:16 pm
by Warren Kingston
History, finito.

Re: Kasparov Talks @ Google.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:29 pm
by Joey Stewart
Why is there always somebody who comes along and undermines me sweeping generalisations with 'the facts'