ECF Membership and foreign tournaments

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Re: ECF Membership and foreign tournaments

Post by Gareth Harley-Yeo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:59 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Gareth Harley-Yeo wrote: If you’re a member of a welsh club or have direct membership you’ll be graded. If not – you wont.
An interesting observation. Does that mean that if you (as a direct member or club member) play in a tournament someone who is English, that the game is treated as ungraded for Welsh rating? In other words, the same rule as in International events for pairings against unrated players. Or perhaps, you rate it one-sided just for the Welsh. The opponent would have an ECF grade which could be converted.
It's the latter. Their grade gets converted from ECF to a Welsh one and just the Welsh player gets graded.
The same applying if you encounter someone Welsh who isn't a member?
I don't think this ever happens unless they are brand new to the game and are entering a congress for the first time. I'd say 99% of people who enter our tournaments are members of clubs or direct members. WCU annual membership is only £10 after all... There are maybe less than a handful of people in Wales who are members of their club but choose not to be members of the Welsh Chess Union. Of those, the reasons are personal rather than financial.

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Re: ECF Membership and foreign tournaments

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:38 pm

Gareth Harley-Yeo wrote:There are maybe less than a handful of people in Wales who are members of their club but choose not to be members of the Welsh Chess Union.
Presumably then, any games people play against them in leagues would be ungraded. Actually that's obvious because you use an Elo style system in which games against people without grades don't count for grading. Or do they get an estimate and one-sided grading as for visitors? What would the practice be for someone with a rating who chose not to renew their WCU membership.

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Re: ECF Membership and foreign tournaments

Post by Gareth Harley-Yeo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:33 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Gareth Harley-Yeo wrote:There are maybe less than a handful of people in Wales who are members of their club but choose not to be members of the Welsh Chess Union.
Presumably then, any games people play against them in leagues would be ungraded. Actually that's obvious because you use an Elo style system in which games against people without grades don't count for grading. Or do they get an estimate and one-sided grading as for visitors? What would the practice be for someone with a rating who chose not to renew their WCU membership.
These people still get graded for the matches they play but are prohibited from playing league games. One example is John Trevelyan. He has his inter club games and non welsh games rated but he is not eligible to play in the local leagues.

For visitors to our league who have no published grade, the grading officer will allocate an estimate for them based on presumed strength and adjust this dependant on their results as they are played (our games are updated on the grading database after every game, not once in a blue moon as over the border).

I guess one way of sorting out the mess in the ECF would be to reduce the membership fee and make it compulsory for entitlement to play league chess. There aren’t many grumbles about paying the WCU membership with fees the way they are. (WCU fee: £10, league fee: £3).

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