Paul DuprÃ© wrote:Again untrue; CCF Mindgames Ltd. is wholely owned by HOWARD CHARLES PARRY CURTIS and RACHEL ELIZABETH BURLEY (Â£1 share each). John & Christine Constable are just Managers. Scott, either you are ignorant of the facts or deliberately misleading everyone.Scott Freeman wrote:I can confirm that the chess clocks belonged to CCF Chess Club, if you wish to differentiate, but both CCF and CCFMindGames are part of CCF, so not sure that there is any issue there.
Again, blurring the lines, going on about something quite unrelated: Tony Corfe has nothing to do with this 2006 Congress;Kevin Thurlow wrote:Having worked with Tony Corfe, I can confirm that he would have delivered (or allowed to be collected) the clocks at the start of the tournament and taken them away (or had them delivered) at the end. (Technically, he is not a lender as he supplied equipment free in return for being allowed to run a bookstall - a very sensible arrangement.)
Not a nuisance to us, as the clocks were ready to play each round. Whereas, what is a nuisance is CCF blaming us for losing CCF clocks. The CCF clocks were looked after (apparently) by CCF employees (David Sedgwick & Ray Ryan) by the Open arbiter's desk; unbeknownst to the rest of the Congress Committee (not including Ben Ogunshola, a friend of CCF).Kevin Thurlow wrote:If this is true, it is unusual (and a nuisance) to take equipment away every night and then bring it again the next day. Did Mike Adams expect a robbery, or was he just being understandably cautious with expensive equipment?
Paul, you have clearly been investigating the owners of the companies, but I can't work out what you are driving at. In legal terms, CCFMindGames is owned by Howard and Rachel (Rachel is my wife's sister and works here at CCF). But it is accepted that Howard is the boss of it. It is all part of the CCF structure ultimately. I think I said in my last email that Howard was the boss, didn't I? It doesn't matter whether it is a separate company to the others or not! I never said that John and Chris were the owners. The whole point of what I was saying is that Howard is boss of CCFMindGames, CCF Church, Coulsdon Card Fellowship, Coulsdon Chess Fellowship, Creating Community Facilities, etc. (But he isn't boss of Curtis Cash Fund....! )
The digital clocks that we lent to the SCCA were technically the property of the CCF Chess Club as opposed the CCFMindGames, but does it matter? The whole point was that they were loaned and not returned.
Your comment about Kevin Thurlow "blurring lines" is probably not understand by anyone either. Tony Corfe did not have anything to do with the 2006 congress and nobody ever said he did. The point Kevin (and I) were trying to make to you is that what Mike Adams did (nothing wrong with it - for the record) in taking his clocks home, was not what CCF or Tony Corfe (in 2000) did or would have done I suspect. There are no lines blurred. I am sure everyone else can clearly see the points made.
Next point is that David Sedgwick and Ray Ryan were certainly NOT employees of CCF - not at the time of the congress anyway. David Sedgwick had worked with us for a very short time on our Bridge activities but that was a while before that (David - can you remind me when?). Ray had worked with us for a while but left us by the Summer of 2005 when he and Pauline decided to do their own thing. (You are welcome to ask me questions, Paul!).
The last snipe is hilariously put. "Ben Ogunshola (a friend of CCF)." Are you implying that Ben was acting on behalf of CCF? - or was biased towards CCF? - or perhaps he was being underhand to the SCCA Congress Company? - or the committee.....? The facts are that he paid the cost of the clocks so the Surrey Congress could continue without a legal case. Shouldn't you be thanking him for being a friend of the SCCA and/or Congress Company?
We became friends through him working with us on the congress. Paul has just demonstrated the sort of treatment we have had from another person in Surrey who we have had issues with. If you don't side with him, you are ostracised and accused of being a "friend of CCF!" I think that is rather what happened to David Bryant when he was Surrey Secretary and got caught in the Basman v CCF issue (which ultimately this all indirectly goes back to; even Paul mentioned the UK Chess Challenge v English Chess Challenge debate). David had supported both organisations, tried to tread the middle ground but spoke out when he could see things were wrong - and was hounded out of office!