Following RDK on Twitter

Discuss anything you like about chess related matters in this forum.

Would you follow Times_Chess to see RD Keene apologise?

Poll ended at Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:29 am

Yes
11
38%
No
18
62%
 
Total votes: 29

Alex McFarlane
Posts: 1554
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:52 pm

Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Alex McFarlane » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:29 am

Ray Keene thinks it is bizzarre that people would follow him on Twitter to see if he will apologise for calling members of the British control team bigots and brutish.
He has invited me to ask people to do so. So I am.

Paul McKeown
Posts: 3496
Joined: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:01 pm
Location: Hayes (Middx)
Contact:

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Paul McKeown » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:34 am

Don't do Twitter, sorry. Wouldn't do Twitter even if it was the Dalai Lama.

Paul Cooksey

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Paul Cooksey » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:43 am

I am very disappointed to see another thread on this subject.

I'd understood the mutual apologies to be an attempt to draw a line under the matter.

Alex McFarlane
Posts: 1554
Joined: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:52 pm

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Alex McFarlane » Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:55 am

There is no problem between CJ and the control team. But there are other issues which have arisen.
Lara's job in an inclusion unit of a school means that the false accusations levelled in the press must be retracted. She would not be able to do her job properly if pupils saw the accusations made against her.
The Times has ignored these requests and it is being investigated by the PCC. The Observer is dragging its heels but is looking at it.

Ian Kingston
Posts: 1070
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:16 pm
Location: Sutton Coldfield
Contact:

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Ian Kingston » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:10 am

Having just looked at the Times_Chess Twitter feed, I will observe that it is excessively dull (except for the part where Alex takes him on). In usual RDK style he now proudly claims to have 'one of the fastest growing #chess twitter sites', but I won't be following.

User avatar
Jon Mahony
Posts: 608
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:47 pm
Location: Leeds
Contact:

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Jon Mahony » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:45 pm

I’d have to say no, I do read his times chess column (for free - a guy at work who gets the times clips it out for me, sadly he’s retiring in September so my supply of bootleg RDK will be cut off!) And in fairness his chess analysis is usually quite interesting.

I’ve no problem with RDK so won’t indulge in what Tony Miles dubbed “Mondo bashing” Some of his books (leaving “samurai chess” aside!) are quite good and he usually comes over well on TV - though I would have given the half black / half white bow ties a miss!

However, whenever asked to comment on controversial issues in Chess, I always feel RDK jumps to one, extreme and ill-considered opinion - often (as with the recent CJ incident) backed up by unnamed and/or dubious academic sources.

Often, when his opinions attract heavy criticism or just prove to be incorrect, he will backtrack and squirm - anything to avoid actually admitting he’s made a gaff.
"When you see a good move, look for a better one!" - Lasker

Simon Spivack
Posts: 600
Joined: Wed May 14, 2008 4:06 pm

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Simon Spivack » Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:29 pm

I don't subscribe to Twitter.

From what I've seen of this affair, Alex McFarlane has behaved in an exemplary manner, having been subjected to considerable provocation.

If Murdoch is forced to divest his newspaper interests in the UK, I hope that the new owner of The Times will insist upon a more suitable chess correspondent than an individual who features so balefully in Private Eye. Anyone looking for further information could do worse than spend some time reading the articles available from the Kingpin website.

I subscribe to the FT and Telegraph. It would never occur to me to subscribe to The Times whilst its chess column is so poor. I hope that any subscribers to The Times reading this thread will write to the newspaper in support of Alex.

Paul Cooksey

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Paul Cooksey » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:01 pm

Simon Spivack wrote:From what I've seen of this affair, Alex McFarlane has behaved in an exemplary manner, having been subjected to considerable provocation.
I recall a few years ago a debate about full time professional football referees in the Premiership. The tabloids strongly supported professionalism. I don't often subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I believe whole heartedly the tabloids' motive was to make it easier to criticise referees. They were always slightly limited in how far they could go, by the argument it was against the interest of the game to criticise volunteers who the game depended on.

I note the Chess Arbiters Association are volunteers. So I'll shut up, both about the incident itself and my hope the PCC investigation does not reignite the issue.

Alex Holowczak
Posts: 9085
Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 5:18 pm
Location: Oldbury, Worcestershire
Contact:

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:09 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:I recall a few years ago a debate about full time professional football referees in the Premiership. The tabloids strongly supported professionalism. I don't often subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I believe whole heartedly the tabloids' motive was to make it easier to criticise referees. They were always slightly limited in how far they could go, by the argument it was against the interest of the game to criticise volunteers who the game depended on.

I note the Chess Arbiters Association are volunteers. So I'll shut up, both about the incident itself and my hope the PCC investigation does not reignite the issue.
The stupid thing is, they confuse "professionalism" with making mistakes. Wenger frequently claims that the referees are supposed to be professional. But so are his own players. If they stamp on a guy's leg, they then can't complain that the referee was being unprofessional by sending him off. Indeed, the referee probably makes far fewer mistakes in the game than the players do.

User avatar
Sebastian Stone
Posts: 153
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:21 pm

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Sebastian Stone » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:54 pm

I already follow him on twitter, but I rarely visit twitter.
AKA Scott Stone

"Give a man fire and he's warm for a day, set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life."

That's Mr Stone to you, f**kface.

User avatar
JustinHorton
Posts: 8255
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
Location: Somewhere you're not

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:22 pm

I rather enjoy Ray's Twitter. One of my favourite aspects is the way every time a couple more people start following him, he Tweets that it's a new record.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

lostontime.blogspot.com

Michael Jones
Posts: 642
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:37 pm

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Michael Jones » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:31 am

I appear to have missed out on some news here (I probably wasn't paying attention). Could someone please enlighten me as to the matter which has provoked this discussion?

Jon D'Souza-Eva

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:41 am

My recollection is that Raymond Keene, OBE, turned up on the last day of the British Championships wearing an XXXL t-shirt bearing the slogan "Some people are gay, get over it" (available for £10 + £2.50 P&P from Stonewall). This probably wouldn't have been a problem, but it was all he wearing and so he was ejected from the tournament hall by a dozen strong men. He has been whinging about his treatment ever since.

Michael Jones
Posts: 642
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:37 pm

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Michael Jones » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:17 pm

Thank you, Jon. Sounds like fairly normal behaviour for some chess players I know.

User avatar
Gavin Strachan
Posts: 676
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:06 am
Contact:

Re: Following RDK on Twitter

Post by Gavin Strachan » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:39 am

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:My recollection is that Raymond Keene, OBE, turned up on the last day of the British Championships wearing an XXXL t-shirt bearing the slogan "Some people are gay, get over it" (available for £10 + £2.50 P&P from Stonewall). This probably wouldn't have been a problem, but it was all he wearing and so he was ejected from the tournament hall by a dozen strong men. He has been whinging about his treatment ever since.
lucky it wasn't xxxs

Post Reply