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Another swindle...

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:50 pm
by Alex Holowczak
You may have seen my earlier swindle in a league game a few years ago, where despite being two pawns and much more besides down, I managed sacrifice a rook creatively to force a perpetual check that would lead to a draw by repetition. Today, in a game that was arranged such that my opponent can get a grade, this happened. 14. Bxh7?? was a total blunder; I liked the look of what was going on on f7, but it simply didn't work. My attempt to get out of the hole I'd self-created simply made things worse.

The time control was 60' + 10''/move, and I was down to 1 minute by the end, my opponent about 5. He seemed to panic more in the time trouble than I did...


Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:35 am
by Colin Patterson
I'm just shocked he didn't notice that 35... Ne3 is much stronger than 35 ... Nd4, due to the mating threats on g2 and f1. Surely an easy win?

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:25 am
by Alex Holowczak
Colin Patterson wrote:I'm just shocked he didn't notice that 35... Ne3 is much stronger than 35 ... Nd4, due to the mating threats on g2 and f1. Surely an easy win?
He had many opportunities to win; not just that one! The player's grade will only be about 100ish - he has improved much since he started - but the majority of his chess has been against other juniors. So he's used to either winning by move 20, or losing by move 20. Given he plays quite infrequently, he admits that he has no idea of how to play middlegames and endgames at all. In fact, this is probably one of the longest games (in terms of moves) he's ever played over-the-board!

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:40 pm
by Christopher Kreuzer
I've just realised that the new PGN facility means it is possible to go back and add games to old threads. Anyone want to see the moves of that 149-move game I played last year? (It probably counts as a swindle). 8)

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:58 pm
by John McKenna
I would be intersted if you want to post it up. The longest game I can recall of my own (recent) praxis is an 86 move effort McKenna-Paez 2010 LCC FIDE Open (7.61).
I lost the same ending in Short-Carlsen from the Classic that just ended. Having K,R & P v. k,r & 2p I was defending with R from side but suddenly decided to switch to doing so from behind and that let his k slip thru' and win.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:03 pm
by Roger de Coverly
John McKenna wrote: I lost the same ending in Short-Carlsen from the Classic that just ended. Having K,R & P v. k,r & 2p I was defending with R from side but suddenly decided to switch to doing so from behind and that let his k slip thru' and win.
Admittedly yours was the slightly more complex R+3 v R+2 which can enable the pawn majority to make progress.

As you point out, at move 78, the game was pretty much dead provided you just shuffle the rook sideways to defend your King on its g2 square. In 2010 I don't think there was an increment, was a 10.2 claim ever a possibility?



White to move

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:19 pm
by John McKenna
There was no 10.2 possibility as there was increment. At the end of the game in the file I think it states the game continued to mate but in fact I resigned after he played 86... Rf3+.
At move 59 the same material as Short-Carlsen exists for a couple of half-moves.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:11 pm
by Roger de Coverly
2010 according to the entry form was 40/120 + 30 without increment
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/assets/file ... _final.pdf

I think there was some discussion on the forum about whether, given 5 hours, that was better or worse than the 40/90 + 30 with 30 second increment that they used this year.

Or did they change 2010 to increment? I didn't play in 2010.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:28 pm
by Alex Holowczak
Roger de Coverly wrote:2010 according to the entry form was 40/120 + 30 without increment
http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/assets/file ... _final.pdf

I think there was some discussion on the forum about whether, given 5 hours, that was better or worse than the 40/90 + 30 with 30 second increment that they used this year.
2010 was definitely without an increment, so there was a possibility of a 10.2.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:58 pm
by Angus French
Roger de Coverly wrote:
John McKenna wrote: I lost the same ending in Short-Carlsen from the Classic that just ended. Having K,R & P v. k,r & 2p I was defending with R from side but suddenly decided to switch to doing so from behind and that let his k slip thru' and win.
Admittedly yours was the slightly more complex R+3 v R+2 which can enable the pawn majority to make progress.

As you point out, at move 78, the game was pretty much dead provided you just shuffle the rook sideways to defend your King on its g2 square. In 2010 I don't think there was an increment, was a 10.2 claim ever a possibility?



White to move
As well as holding the second rank, as Roger suggests, do not Rd1 (for a back-rank defence) and Rd3 (for a Philidor defence) also work?

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:13 pm
by John McKenna
In 2010 it was 40 moves in 2 hrs. (then something like an additional 50 mins. but not added until time went to zero) with a 30 sec. increment from move 1. From memory and score that's roughly it. Quite generous.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:22 pm
by John McKenna
OK, I stand corrected, Alex is right there was no increment.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:41 pm
by John McKenna
To tell the truth (from score) at the end I still had 6 mins. and he 1 min. We had both been trying to avoid the draw - he to win on material and me to win on time. He didn't have to write since move 60 when he went to less than 5 mins.
We were last to finish and shook hands at end.
I think Angus is right to say there was more than one way to defend that would have worked for me but going to the back rank was probably my attempt to confuse us both.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:18 am
by Roger de Coverly
Angus French wrote: As well as holding the second rank, as Roger suggests, do not Rd1 (for a back-rank defence) and Rd3 (for a Philidor defence) also work?
Using http://www.shredderchess.com/online-che ... abase.html, this tells us there are only 4 moves to lose in the starting position. The two ways to put the Rook en prise and the King moving to f1 or f2.

The critical position is this one a couple of moves later



where only Rd1 and Rd3 draw.

The general rule as outlined by Smyslov & Levenfish in their 1970s Batsford is that you draw as defender if you hold the queening square. You do though need to know the methods of maintaining this.

Re: Another swindle...

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:29 pm
by Ian Stephens
Alex, you claim this game to be a swindle, I have to disagree, I recall the 1970 film "Waterloo" in a scene where Christopher Plummer playing the Duke of Wellington upon questioning a private who was caught red handed stealing a pig who then proceeded to spin a plausible yarn about how the pig had come into his possession, Wellington when asked by a Sergeant how he should deal with the thief replied favourably, stating that "Here was someone who could defend an undefendable position".

Also from the same film Wellington is quoted as saying "Never interupt your enemy while he's making a mistake, that's bad manners" - Priceless!