FIDE Rated In January NOT in March.
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FIDE Rated In January NOT in March.
What's going on, a number of players have been removed from the rating list.
For instance Martin C Page:
January 2012 entry
418382 Page, Martin C ENG 1865 0 1941
March 2012 entry
418382 Page, Martin C ENG 1941
When I investigated further I found his last game played in the Surrey Chess Congress 2011, is no longer listed. So, he now has only 8 qualifying games instead of the required 9.
Have I missed something - why have results from last year's Surrey Congress disappeared from the FIDE webpage. 6 players and all their results have just been wiped out:
421111 Porter, Sam J 1808 ENG
2503891 McCabe, Shane IRL
422894 Kalaiyalahan, Akshaya ENG
423211 Winter, Malcolm J ENG
422134 Zhou, Yang-Jian ENG
420751 Pattni, Kishan 1654 ENG
Paul Dupré
Surrey Congress Rating Officer
For instance Martin C Page:
January 2012 entry
418382 Page, Martin C ENG 1865 0 1941
March 2012 entry
418382 Page, Martin C ENG 1941
When I investigated further I found his last game played in the Surrey Chess Congress 2011, is no longer listed. So, he now has only 8 qualifying games instead of the required 9.
Have I missed something - why have results from last year's Surrey Congress disappeared from the FIDE webpage. 6 players and all their results have just been wiped out:
421111 Porter, Sam J 1808 ENG
2503891 McCabe, Shane IRL
422894 Kalaiyalahan, Akshaya ENG
423211 Winter, Malcolm J ENG
422134 Zhou, Yang-Jian ENG
420751 Pattni, Kishan 1654 ENG
Paul Dupré
Surrey Congress Rating Officer
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Is it possible that these players are not current members of a national federation?
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Which bit did you not understand?John Upham wrote:Is it possible that these players are not current members of a national federation?
If your not a member, you rating gets unpublished. You don't get all your games wiped from the record books.
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What are the options and I'll choose from the menu?Paul Dupré wrote:Which bit did you not understand?John Upham wrote:Is it possible that these players are not current members of a national federation?
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OK, I've looked back over my records for last Easter, and my reply from Richard Haddrell confirms all the 5 English players were members at the time of the 2011 Surrey Congress grading submission.John Upham wrote:Is it possible that these players are not current members of a national federation?
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I can almost see what's happened. You may want to take a very close look at the rating report for the 2010 tournament. Martin Page, for example, is treated as being rated, although from looking at his history on the ECF site, his only previous internationally rated games appear to be the 4 at the 2009 Surrey. So he would have had a part rating, but that's supposed to go through as if he is unrated.
The report is at
http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_repo ... nt16=49921.
FIDE have now removed the rating changes for unrated players, but it hasn't brought them back in as performances contributing to a rating.
Normally I'd suggest asking the IRO. Given that there isn't one, you may have to go directly to the FIDE ratings office on behalf of the Surrey Congress.
The knock on effect of removing ratings that weren't really there, is that other players take longer to get their first rating, and games between unrated players disappear from view.
The report is at
http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_repo ... nt16=49921.
FIDE have now removed the rating changes for unrated players, but it hasn't brought them back in as performances contributing to a rating.
Normally I'd suggest asking the IRO. Given that there isn't one, you may have to go directly to the FIDE ratings office on behalf of the Surrey Congress.
The knock on effect of removing ratings that weren't really there, is that other players take longer to get their first rating, and games between unrated players disappear from view.
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NO NO NO. You have missed the point as well - Sam Porter is rated and has been for some time. His games in the Surrey Congress 2011 have been wiped from this page http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_repo ... nt16=56099. They were here a couple of weeks ago and now they are NOT.Roger de Coverly wrote:FIDE have now removed the rating changes for unrated players, but it hasn't brought them back in as performances contributing to a rating.
Why????
Look at this => Round 6 - Board 27
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Paul,Paul Dupré wrote:What's going on, a number of players have been removed from the rating list.
For instance Martin C Page:
January 2012 entry
418382 Page, Martin C ENG 1865 0 1941
March 2012 entry
418382 Page, Martin C ENG 1941
When I investigated further I found his last game played in the Surrey Chess Congress 2011, is no longer listed. So, he now has only 8 qualifying games instead of the required 9.
Have I missed something - why have results from last year's Surrey Congress disappeared from the FIDE webpage. 6 players and all their results have just been wiped out:
421111 Porter, Sam J 1808 ENG
2503891 McCabe, Shane IRL
422894 Kalaiyalahan, Akshaya ENG
423211 Winter, Malcolm J ENG
422134 Zhou, Yang-Jian ENG
420751 Pattni, Kishan 1654 ENG
Paul Dupré
Surrey Congress Rating Officer
I don't think that the results have disappeared. Looking here, all the results are listed. http://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=56099#10
The issue is that games against unrated players do not show here http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_repo ... nt16=56099. Neither do results played by unrated players if they do not achieve a part rating in the event.
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Re: FIDE Rated In January NOT in March. Why???
According to FIDE, Sam Porter got his first rating in September 2011, sometime after last years Surrey Congress. http://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=421111Paul Dupré wrote:NO NO NO. You have missed the point as well - Sam Porter is rated and has been for some time. His games in the Surrey Congress 2011 have been wiped from this page http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_repo ... nt16=56099. They were here a couple of weeks ago and now they are NOT.Roger de Coverly wrote:FIDE have now removed the rating changes for unrated players, but it hasn't brought them back in as performances contributing to a rating.
Why????
Round 6 - Board 27
Yet this http://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=56099#21 shows him as rated at last years Surrey event. Very perculiar. Perhaps you should ask the ECF to investigate?
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Extract from rating list March 2011
421111 Porter, Sam J ENG 1808 0 1992
He was rated 1808 at the last congress @@@!"%^&**(
421111 Porter, Sam J ENG 1808 0 1992
He was rated 1808 at the last congress @@@!"%^&**(
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My copy of the rating list confirms that he was rated in January 2011, 1808. It seems to me that some event in 2010 has changed or been deleted.
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Re: FIDE Rated In January NOT in March. Why???
From http://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=56099, he only played 2 rated players in the 2011 Sutton Major. But that report also shows him as having a rating for the games against his two rated opponents. So there's some retrospective recalculation going on, whether initiated by FIDE or the ECF. You still need 3 games for a tournament to qualify for a part rating, do you not?Sean Hewitt wrote: According to FIDE, Sam Porter got his first rating in September 2011, sometime after last years Surrey Congress. http://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=421111
In 2011, he would only have had a part rating, based on the 2010 Surrey Major and a CCF event.
So the rating reports for the Surrey Major have been submitted with part rated players showing as fully rated. This has been mostly, but not wholly, reversed.
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Extract from November 2010 rating list
421111 Porter, Sam J ENG 1808 9 1992
Where did these 9 games come from then ?
Does anybody know.....
421111 Porter, Sam J ENG 1808 9 1992
Where did these 9 games come from then ?
Does anybody know.....
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OK, 3 games from the Surrey Congress 2010:
Lost Richard BE BRYANT 1945
Won Jasdeep GAHIR 1765
Drew James F McKENNA 1925.
What about the other six games - anyone ???
Lost Richard BE BRYANT 1945
Won Jasdeep GAHIR 1765
Drew James F McKENNA 1925.
What about the other six games - anyone ???
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Re: FIDE Rated In January NOT in March.
I'm worried that if the ECF don't appoint an IRO soon then Paul may spontaneously combust