Timeline for 2800 ratings

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Nevil Chan » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:38 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Which prompts the thought: does it really mean anything to break this 2800 rating barrier, or is it relatively meaningless?
Means you'd probably make the first team. :mrgreen:
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:53 am

Mick Norris wrote:Caruana now at 2796

Assuming he doesn't play until Dortmund, his pairings are interesting
http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/again ... tournament

Starts with black against Andreikin, presumably a win would take him over 2800 - if not, then black against Leko, white against Mickey Adams, black against Wang Hao, not easy
Caruana won to take his live rating to exactly 2800

http://www.2700chess.com/

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# Name Rating +/− Games FIDE Age
1 Carlsen Norway 2862.0 0.0 0
22 (30.11.1990)
2 Aronian Armenia 2813.0 0.0 0
30 (06.10.1982)
3 Caruana Italy 2800.0 +4.0 1
20 (30.07.1992)
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Stewart Reuben » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:36 am

A completely different statistic is the list of players
Who have nobody higher rated than them who is older and active.
Thus Carlssen. Short. It used to include Korchnoi, but he is unlikely ever again to be active. I think the late Bb Wade used to be on that list. He played right up to the end of his life.

About whether the rating 2800 means much. Of course it is just a number. But the objectives of the players should be taken into account.
Bronstein wanted to play beautiful chess,
Petrosian wanted not to lose.
Fischer wanted to win every game.
Karpov was happy to win, or finish first equal, in every tournament.
Kasparov wanted to win every game with white and any that came his way with black.
Naturally Karpov comes well below the other last two listed here in rating, but did he not win more tournaments?

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by stevencarr » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:48 am

I'm pretty sure Karpov has the record for number of tournaments won, unless you want to claim Keith Arkell as the holder of that record.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:02 pm

Mick Norris wrote: Caruana won to take his live rating to exactly 2800
One of the comments at Chessbomb on the Caruana-Adams game made me wince:

"And this is why Caru won't stay 2800".

It is interesting how several players have threatened to get to 2800 (my view is that you have to get to 2800 on an official rating list, not the live rating list) and fallen away. Radjabov, Nakamura, Caruana, and Grischuk have been, or are currently, close. I'd love to see the last three go above 2800 soon, but it is not easy. Puts in some context the way Carlsen rocketed up to 2860+!

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:04 pm

And the wait goes on for new additions (or re-additions) to the 2800+ crowd (of two). At the moment, it is more interesting to speculate whether Aronian can put himself within touching distance of Carlsen in terms of rating? On the current live ratings, he needs to gain another 6 points to be exactly halfway between Kramnik and Carlsen. That is still some 40+ points short, but is Aronian currently the most credible challenger in terms of results as well as rating?

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Colin S Crouch » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:36 am

How has anyone got any reasonable chance of successfully challenging against Carlsen in some later world championnship match?
First, and almost to obviously, such a contender must be over 2800, and can go even further, aiming to reach 2850, and beyond. Only Aronian is a that level of play. At the moment, he is leadi ng with 4/5 at Wijk aan Zee.
Then there are various younger players. One can suggest that for a player to have really serious credibility, that player has passed 2700 in his teens, and then has the chance of quickly
reaching 2800 and beyond.
This gives three extra players, Caruana, Giri, and So, to add to the shortlist. And all four players have just won gritty games today at Wijk.
Caruana used to be the general favourite to upturn Carlsen's throne, possibly. He has reached 2800, but only for just one round. The trouble is that he tends to lose too many games, in between his many wins. He has already lost twice at Wijk. Are So and Giri starting to move ahead? Judge for yourself.

Carlsen 2872 0
Aronian 2822 +10
Caruana 2785 +3
Giri 2743 +7
So 2740 +21

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Leonard Barden » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:19 am

Today's Guardian article assesses Giri's prospects:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/j ... steel-wijk

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Colin S Crouch » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:51 am

After-thoughts, and catching up on commentary by Erwin l'Ami.
Could Karjakin have played for more, when agreeing a repetition a rook down against Nakamura? Certai nly he had various oppportuntities of attack, with queen, knight and advanced e3 pawn against a fully exposed king. And Nakamura himself was in severe dangere as White at around move 20.
Something for the reader to analyse with enjoyment this weekend.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:59 pm

Returning to this thread, as the results today have resulted in new highest-ever live ratings for both Aronian and Carlsen:

http://www.2700chess.com/

Carlsen has achieved 2882.6 on the live list, as of today's game. Not sure exactly when he surpassed his previous highest live rating, as the site doesn't show the previous highest rating by Carlsen. It looks like 2900, though probably still a while off, may not be as unattainable as previously thought (though it is, of course, only an arbitrary milestone). Aronian has also nudged his highest ever live rating upwards to 2835.5. Still only 6 people to have ever gone above 2800, with another six who got stranded on a peak rating in the 2790s.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:27 am

With his latest two wins (first two rounds of the Gashimov Memorial), Carlsen has reached 2889 in the live rating list! Maybe he will break 2900 before anyone else joins the 2800 list, which would be pretty amazing. Does anyone know what score Carlsen would need to get to be over 2900 at the conclusion of the tournament? Though I doubt the live rating at the end of this tournament will become an official one as I think the tournament overlaps between two months and there are other events before the rating list is finalised for May, though I haven't checked this.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:31 am

Carlsen would need 9/10 according to TWIC

EDIT
Chessvibes gives 8.5/10 getting him to 2900.7
http://www.chessvibes.com/carlsen-also- ... in-shamkir
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Stewart Reuben » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:07 am

20-30 rating points have little statistical meaning. So this obsession with round numbers puzzles me.
Mind you, I regard it as an objective to stay above the current year. I will also be disappointed when I drop below my year of birth, though pleased if I am still playing.
Will there ever be a pre-pubescent GM? Karjakin's record as the youngest-ever has remained for a impressively long time.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:19 am

Stewart Reuben wrote: Will there ever be a pre-pubescent GM? Karjakin's record as the youngest-ever has remained for a impressively long time.
While the prodigies never seemed to play in published games at much less than FM standard, starting the ratings off at 1000 probably makes getting a rating to 2500 at a very young age more difficult. I'd imagine that to become a GM at a very young age, the getting to FM standard bit, assuming it needed practice and experience would have to be done outside of the rating system.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:47 am

Mick Norris wrote:Carlsen would need 9/10 according to TWIC

EDIT
Chessvibes gives 8.5/10 getting him to 2900.7
http://www.chessvibes.com/carlsen-also- ... in-shamkir
Thanks. Having now looked at the schedule, I see they only have one rest day and finish on the last day of the month. Does that mean the results will appear in the May rating list?

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