Timeline for 2800 ratings

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon May 15, 2017 9:26 pm

Mick Norris wrote:live ratings has a list

Grischuk's highest was achieved on the same date
Thanks. Do you have an URL to the exact page where the listing is?

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon May 15, 2017 9:28 pm

Mick Norris wrote: Grischuk's highest was achieved on the same date
Mamedyarov (if he gets a published rating over 2800) will be aged 32, the second oldest on the list by age they achieved this rating (which, like age, is only a number!).

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Mick Norris » Mon May 15, 2017 9:29 pm

If you scroll down, on the right hand side there is a list of Highest Ever Live Rating
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon May 15, 2017 9:33 pm

Thanks.
Mick Norris wrote: Giri hit 2802.8 on 15 Feb 2015, but was back below 2800 by month end
For completeness, Giri was 20 at the time, and would have been the second-youngest after Carlsen. Presuming Giri does eventually break the 2800 barrier in a published list, he has still got around two years to do this before the current second-youngest (MVL at 25).

(EDIT [2 June 2017]: Noting here that I was completely wrong to say MVL was the second-youngest on the list - the second-youngest is in fact Caruana, who entered the 2800 club aged 22.)

Here is a real thing to bet on: will Carlsen's record of breaking 2800 at the age of 18 ever be broken, and has that person been born yet?
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Mick Norris » Sun May 21, 2017 1:14 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote: Mamedyarov has achieved a live rating over 2800. Now we have to wait and see if he can achieve a published rating over 2800
He now has a live rating of 2800.0 at the finish of the Moscow GP; I assume he won't play any more rated games this month, so you can add him to the list wef 1 June
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:18 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote: Mamedyarov has achieved a live rating over 2800. Now we have to wait and see if he can achieve a published rating over 2800
He now has a live rating of 2800.0 at the finish of the Moscow GP; I assume he won't play any more rated games this month, so you can add him to the list wef 1 June
I'll update the list now. :wink:

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:25 am

As of 1 June 2017: a timeline for when the members (past and present) of the 2800 club (those with a FIDE rating of 2800 or above) first achieved that distinction, with their ages:

*January 1990 - Garry Kasparov (2800) aged 26 (peak - 2856; March 2000)
*July 2001 - Vladimir Kramnik (2802) aged 26 (peak - 2812; June 2016)
*January 2006 - Veselin Topalov (2801) aged 30 (peak - 2816; July 2015)
*April 2006 - Viswanathan Anand (2803) aged 36 (peak - 2817; March 2011)
*November 2009 - Magnus Carlsen (2801) aged 18 (peak - 2882; May 2014)
*November 2010 - Levon Aronian (2801) aged 28 (peak - 2830; March 2014)
*August 2014 - Fabiano Caruana (2801) aged 22 (peak - 2844; October 2014)
*December 2014 - Alexander Grischuk (2810) aged 31 (peak - 2810; December 2014)
*June 2015 - Hikaru Nakamura (2802) aged 27 (peak - 2814; July 2015)
*August 2016 - Maxime Vachier-Lagrave (2819) aged 25 (peak - 2819; August 2016)
*January 2017 - Wesley So (2808) age 23 (peak - 2822; February 2017)
*June 2017 - Shakhriyar Mamedyarov (2800) age 32 (peak - 2804; January 2018)

The peak ratings are as of June 2017, and some may change later. Only five people have ever been above 2820 on a published rating list.

EDIT: Updated Mamedyarov's peak rating for the forthcoming January 2018 list.
EDIT: Updated and republished this list later in the thread (see post of 6 October 2018).
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:31 pm

Mamedyarov's entry updated above. Anyone want to speculate who will go over 2800 next? Currently, 10 of the top 12 on the live rating list have been over 2800. The two that haven't are Svidler and Ding Liren, but I don't really see anyone making a push up towards the top of the rankings any time soon.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:00 pm

I think we have a while to wait. An exciting 2017 for younger juniors rising to 2500, but no-one in the 18-20 range making big strides at the moment.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by Mick Norris » Fri May 25, 2018 3:58 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:31 pm
Mamedyarov's entry updated above. Anyone want to speculate who will go over 2800 next? Currently, 10 of the top 12 on the live rating list have been over 2800. The two that haven't are Svidler and Ding Liren, but I don't really see anyone making a push up towards the top of the rankings any time soon.
Ding currently has a live rating of 2797.5 (having won 3 games in the Chinese league this week) and is now unbeaten for 288 days; he's 4th on the live list; a good performance in Norway might take him over 2800; he's 2840 over 28 games in 2018 (Giri is 2851 over 23 games)
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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Fri May 25, 2018 5:54 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:00 pm
I think we have a while to wait. An exciting 2017 for younger juniors rising to 2500, but no-one in the 18-20 range making big strides at the moment.
What about Parham Mghsoodloo of Iran?

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by NickFaulks » Fri May 25, 2018 6:09 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 5:54 pm
What about Parham Mghsoodloo of Iran?
Yes, I commented here some time ago that Iran is currently producing the best crop of junior chess players. The USA has a large population and is spending huge amounts of money, while Russia has, to say the least, a well estabIished infrastructure and tradition, but what is Iran doing so well?

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat May 26, 2018 10:45 am

  • Chess in welcomed by middle-class families nowadays (media coverage and relative richness of the families compared to past might've helped ). In my city alone there is 12-13 clubs.
  • IRCF openned a chess university in 1390 or 1391 AP.
  • Iran has organized FIDE arbiters and FIDE TRG seminars and has FAs and FSTs, FTs, FIs, NIs.
  • Chess books, videos and megazines are being diistributed in Telegram/whatsapp channels/groups and sold by chess websites in PDF or PGN or DJVU formts
  • Some books were written by Iranian masters.
  • My compatriot translators translated many books, of Dvoretzky, Dorfman, Yusupov, etc, as well as articles.
  • Big tournaments are being held inside and around Iran (in Armenia, Azerbaijan, UAE, Turkey).
  • Some Armenian and Azerbaijani trainers work in Iran, and some chessplayers may go to Azerbaijan for training.
  • Iran used good trainers for national teams (late IGM Vasiukov, GM Sarkhan Guliev, GM Nigel Short, GM Miroshnichenko, and GM Ivan Sokolov are the ones I am aware of).
  • Chess training has become a profession in Iran, and there will be progress when there is money.
These are some of the adjuvantss I can think of.

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by NickFaulks » Sat May 26, 2018 12:35 pm

soheil_hooshdaran wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 10:45 am
IRCF openned a chess university in 1390 or 1391 AP.
You've provided a good list. Can you provide more information about this one, which I cannot find by an internet search?

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Re: Timeline for 2800 ratings

Post by soheil_hooshdaran » Sat May 26, 2018 7:30 pm

Yes, this one is:
http://www.uast.ac.ir/fa/executive-cent ... 8%A7%D9%86

Almost all top, famous Iranian trainers teach units there, including GM Ghaemmaghami, IM&FST Harandi, IM&FT Mousavian, IM&FT Ghorbani, WGM&FT Shadi Paridar, and WFM&IA Shohreh Bayat (all of whom except IM Harandi are my friends).

You can enter it without an entrance exam, and after 2 years, you graduate with an Associate degree (I guess in physical education) and a grade C trainer's degree from Iran Chess Federation (IRCF). startintgg this year, it discontinued gives a Bachelor's and a grade B trainer's degree from Iran Chess Federation (IRCF).
Every year, it admits students for September and Junary semesters, like ordinary universities.
I was also tempted to register, but the tuition was a hindrance :D (also the distance-Tehran is some 1000 km to the NE- and the duration) . Besides, I hold an FI degree from FIDE.

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