Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:09 am

Fascinating list - I've played a lot of them, some I have never heard of, but it is depressing to see some are no longer with us.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Phil Pinto » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:21 pm

Thanks for reply, Kevin....and you've played many.
The 1979 simuls were 40 years ago now; crickey so long ago.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:26 pm

Phil Pinto wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:21 pm
Thanks for reply, Kevin....and you've played many.
The 1979 simuls were 40 years ago now; crickey so long ago.
It would be interesting to know how many of those 90 players are still playing today. I counted 17 I know still play; there are a few more who are still involved in chess but don't play competitively any more; there are some I've never heard of and don't know. I'd guess no more than a third still play competitive chess.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:53 am

Leonard Barden wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:20 am
The qualifying junior age for the Kasparov simul would have been born after 1.9.64. At that time the British, London and junior squad U21 events were all very strong, and my understanding then was that the definition of junior for using funds from Lloyds Bank and the Slater Foundation was under 21 at the start of the academic year.
My unreliable memory suggests that Gary Lane (born 11.64) did play on a high board, along with Peter Wells (born 1965) who I think could be the player behind Kasparov's shoulder in the picture which is where the top boards in the match were seated, in front of the demo boards.
There were three Karpov simuls. The first was the clock simul in 1977 which launched Lloyds Bank sponsorship and was staged in the middle weekend of the British Championship meaning that several players including Short and Hodgson had to travel up from Brighton. Karpov won 9.5-0.5, conceding half a point to Tony Williams, Simon Williams's older brother.
I was not best pleased with this outcome, and the opportunity for revenge came in 1982 when Karpov was playing at Phillips&Drew in London. Peter Barton persuaded him to give the simul at Westergate, Sussex just a day or two before round 1 of P&D and we fielded a very strong team of 30 headed by Hodgson and King, with several others of near-IM strength. James Howell, later board 1 against Kasparov, was board 18 against Karpov. The bottom board Edward Lee was a specialist simul killer who had won his previous six games against GMs, outplayed Karpov, and went on later to beat Korchnoi for eight straight.
It took Karpov eight hours, but he managed a tolerable plus score and admitted that it was his hardest simul ever. As a simul giver, he impressed me more than Kasparov. A couple of days later he played his first round at P&D, still tired, and drew with Nigel Short.
At the final Karpov exhibition, again at Westergate, in 1984 he remembered his bad 1982 experience, made the date after rather than before P&D, and stipulated 'no IMs' but our team was still headed by Peter Wells and Jonathan Levitt who had IM norms. On around Board 10 Neil Carr played the same line that Azmaiparashvili had used to defeat Karpov in the USSR championship that year, Karpov played what I assume was an intended improvement, and Carr crushed him with a double rook sac. Our team was not quite so strong as 1982 and Karpov scored a bit better.
There was also then a memorable secondary simul by Polugaevsky. Memorable, because Byron Jacobs, who was down to play Karpov, arrived too late, was drafted into the Polu simul, and blew him off the board in the first game to finish. This terrified Polu, who assumed that all his opponents were just as strong (actually they averaged 150-160) and retaliated by making his moves at a funereal rate. After some five or six hours Karpov had finished, the Russians had to leave for the airport, but Polu still had more than half the games still going. So he then adjudicated them, some in his favour with small advantages, though Nick von Schlippe successfully argued for a draw by addressing Polu in Russian. On the drive to the airport Peter Barton was harangued by Karpov and Polu claiming that the latter had been ambushed by a team of candidate masters...
I guess Nick Thomas probably played in that final Karpov simul.
Leonard, with regards to the 1982 simul, do you know where I could find a list of those who participated, hopefully a list of games even? I am presently speaking to one of the participants, Colin Garwood, who has given me quite an in depth account of his experience but does not have any record of his game, which he apparently had good chances in. I have managed to find the names of a few participants but no more than that but I should say what little evidence I have found states that there were 25 juniors playing and not 30 as you have stated here. Thank you for your account posted, it's an interesting read.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Leonard Barden » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:37 am

I think there was a booklet about the 1982 simul which was available at the time. Some copies may still survive.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by John Saunders » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:04 am

Re the 1982 simul, here is the BCM report...
BCM, June 1982, page 247 wrote:Chichester — Anatoly Karpov played a simultaneous exhibition against the BCF Junior Squad on 25 boards at Westergate School on April 13th. The exhibition lasted over 6 hours and the final result was a win for the Muscovite by 11 - 4 with 10 draws. The four winners were John Cox, John Richardson, Alan Byron and the very bottom board 14-year old Edward Lee of Essex. Karpov conceded that this was the strongest opposition he had ever met in such an event. An audience of 150 watched the exhibition, sponsored by Lloyds Bank and Amey Roadstone Corporation, and gave the Champion a round of applause at the end.
I couldn't find a report in CHESS. BCM later gave a game score and I have been able to source four in total:




Leonard posted a story in the Guardian the next day:
Leonard Barden, The Guardian, 14 April 1982 wrote:Boy beats Karpov - By Leonard Barden, Chess Correspondent

World chess champion Anatoly Karpov, was beaten last night by a 14-year-old Essex schoolboy.

Edward Lee of Fairlop High School was the youngest of four players to defeat Karpov, who played 25 boards simultaneously against England Juniors. The contest, at Westergate, near Chichester, lasted 6½ hours. Karpov won 11 games, drew 10, and lost four.

Edward said: “It hasn’t sunk in yet, but I’ve defeated the world champion. I caught him with a knight move which captured two of his pawns.”

The other England winners were John Cox, aged 20, of Telford, an Oxford University student; John Richardson, 18, of Haberdashers’ Aske’s Boys’ School, New Cross, London; and Alan Byron, 19, of Leicester, a Sussex University student. Karpov awarded Cox and Byron the Lloyds Bank trophies for the best two games against him.
The Times also had a short report the next day:
The Times, 14 April 1982 wrote:After six and a half hours’ play, Anatoly Karpov, the world champion, finished a simultaneous display at Westergate against 25 selected juniors with a score of 16-9. He won 11 games, drew 10, and lost four, and said afterwards that it was the strongest simultaneous display he had ever encountered — and the worst result he had ever achieved.

The four winners against him were John Cox aged 20; Oxford University; John Richardson, aged 18, of Aske's school and Lewisham Chess Club; Alan Byron, aged 19, Sussex University; and Edward Lee, aged 14, the youngest competitor, Barkingslde and Fairlop High School.
The Daily Mirror had a similar report on the same day.

In his column in the Liverpool Daily Post, 1 May 1982, Nigel Davies gave the Byron and Cox game scores. He gives a longer version of Karpov's post-simul comments:
Karpov, 13 April 1982 wrote:"This was probably the strongest team I’ve ever met in a simultaneous match and it was the best score ever made against me,** said Karpov.

“I gave two others against Young Pioneers in the USSR which were also difficult as well as the one against top Parisian masters including two Olympic players. But here the top three had international experience in addition to the high overall standards.

“The English juniors are specially strong in tactical complications, though almost all my opponents didn't handle the endings precisely. I realised the match would be hard, but it was still harder than I expected. I got tired after two or three hours and made some mistakes in the later stages'*.
John Lawson in the Hull Daily Mail, 30 April 1982, gave the Stuart Brown game score and some more detail concerning grades.
John Lawson, Hull Daily Mail, 30 April 1982 wrote:KARPOV V. STUART BROWN
I have now received the detailed report of the simultaneous display given by world champion Anatoly Karpov, when he took on the top 25 England junior players at Chichester on April 13th.

As most readers will know, Hymcra College and St Andrews player, Stuart Brown scored a draw against Karpov and the game is given below.

Karpov won the match in 6½ hours with a score of 11-4 and 10 drawn games.

The players who beat him were John Cox (BCF 213), John Richardson (206), Alan Byron (196) and Edward Lee (196) The strength of the England team can be measured in the grades which ranged from 223 down to 196.
The Bristol Evening Post (Friday 23 April 1982) had a reference to Colin Garwood losing a lengthy rook and pawn ending to Karpov but no further detail.

The Torbay Express and South Devon Echo (Thursday 15 April 1982) referred to Gary Lane, of Churston Grammar School, losing a six-hour endgame.

Regional newspapers mentioned other players. John Hawksworth and Stuart C Brown were amongst those who drew, while Alan Dyson and James Howell both lost. Neil Dickenson took part but I couldn't discover his result.

EDIT: removed the Carr game which was actually played in the 1984 simul - see below. Thanks to Leonard Barden for reporting this error - JS
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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by John Saunders » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:15 am

P.S. Hold the front page... I've just discovered the score of Colin Garwood's game from the simul which I will input and add here.
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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by John Saunders » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:33 am

Here's the Garwood game, from Leonard Barden's column in the Guardian, 24 April 1982...



The relevant text from the same column (which also has the score of the Cox game, already posted above)...
Leonard Barden, The Guardian, 24 April 1982 wrote:ANATOLY Karpov’s simultaneous match against the England junior team at Westergate, Sussex, last week proved an interesting test of how the world champion compares with such legendary simul specialists as Capablanca, Pillsbury and Flohr. Karpov won 11 games, drew 10, and lost four in 6½ hours.

The opposition, in spite of their youth, averaged a BCF rating of 204 (2230 on the world scale). Karpov emerged with laurels intact. He scored 6½-5½ on the top dozen boards, where his opponents were led by IM-elect Daniel King and fielded world under-16 champion Conquest on ninth board. Lower down, Karpov turned on his strategic mastery and won at least two games in a style reminiscent of his 1974 candidates’ matches. So hard was the battle that it was 4½ hours before the first game finished.

The juniors had their moments, notably on bottom board where 14-year-old Edward Lee outplayed the world champion to score his sixth win in a row against 2500 + GMs. His earlier victims were Nunn, Speelman, Ftacnik, Kupreychik and Kochiev. Back in the middle 1960s the Scottish expert Nicholas Young also defeated six titled players in simuls, among them Botvinnik, Keres, and Gligoric; but two of Young’s opponents were not GMs at the time.
Mr Young says he always aimed for the initiative, but didn't specialise in particular openings. Edward Lee, in contrast, relies on the Caro-Kann with gxf6 and the Dutch Defence to upset his eminent opponents with fast counter-attacks.
At the end of Leonard's piece it mentions the (then) availability of a bulletin with all 25 games from the simul and a 16-page match programme, to be bought from P Barton of Barnham, Bognor Regis, Sussex. I should rather like to have a copy of that programme, or else the games from it should someone have a copy.
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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:47 pm

I found mentions of Peter Barton on this page about the history of Bognor and Arun Chess Club:

http://www.bognorandarunchessclub.co.uk/archive.html

It might be worth contacting them to see if they or others in the area have anything relevant?

Unlikely, but you never know.

Also, Richard James mentioned a possible Peter Barton that was still active in 2015:

viewtopic.php?t=7555#p158864
There's a Peter Barton currently involved in Sussex Junior Chess at Burgess Hill who may be the same person
There are a number of mentions of Peter Barton in several threads on this forum.

(Of course, even if he is still around and active, he may not have any copies of the bulletin!)

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:04 pm

I've just played through the Neil Carr game. You didn't often see Karpov get kicked around like that.
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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Leonard Barden » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:34 pm

The Carr game is actually from the 1984 simul, not 1982, as stated in the Guardian report quoted above. Karpov awarded it the Lloyds Bank Trophy after some hesitation and nudging from me.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:40 pm

Many thanks for the input. I will attend to this according in the coming days.

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by John Saunders » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:12 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:34 pm
The Carr game is actually from the 1984 simul, not 1982, as stated in the Guardian report quoted above. Karpov awarded it the Lloyds Bank Trophy after some hesitation and nudging from me.
Yes, you're quite right, Leonard, my mistake. Here is the Carr game again, now with the correct date...

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:35 pm

John Saunders wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:12 pm
Leonard Barden wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:34 pm
The Carr game is actually from the 1984 simul, not 1982, as stated in the Guardian report quoted above. Karpov awarded it the Lloyds Bank Trophy after some hesitation and nudging from me.
Yes, you're quite right, Leonard, my mistake. Here is the Carr game again, now with the correct date...

Nick F above is quite right that Karpov was trounced in this 1984 simul game by Neil Carr, but it was remarkedly ill-advised of Karpov to carry out that sortie with the Queen.

The White queen sidles over to f1 via d2 and e2, and then jumps out to h3 before swooping into d7, nabbing the pawn on c7 and grabbing the pawn on a5. The White king then frantically flees to d3, followed by the White queen returning to h3 via b6 and d7 while grabbing the pawn on d6. The king then goes from d3 to b1 via the c4-a2 diagonal. In contrast, Black's king just sits on g8 after castling, while Black's queen just moves from d8 to f8 (that is it, no other moves from the Black queen).

You can kind of understand while Karpov might not have wanted to draw attention to that standard of play!

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Re: Junior squad/Kasparov simul in 1986

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

John Saunders wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:12 pm
Here is the Carr game again, now with the correct date...

Still highly recommended!
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