First thread on LCC 2012 ?

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:55 pm

Watching the commentary on Naka v Carlsen got me thinking. Are we losing our objectivity over Magnus?

The best player in the world? Almost certainly. But that ending he reached yesterday was unclear. The commentators seemed to assume he was winning, entirely because it was Magnus!

I do not think it fair to say that Magnus is playing chess 'on a different planet'. Mickey, for example, imploded against him. To win with Black, like most of us, he often needs a slice of luck.

This is not a criticism. I firmly expect this young man to inherit the mantle of Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov.

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by John Moore » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:54 pm

Hmm - am I missing something. When I click on Live Classic Games on the Official site, nothing happens. I can get the live games from the FIDE Open but not from the Classic.

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:50 pm

The hype around Carlsen's play also seems to extend to analysis of his tournament standings! Chessbase reports that he has won the event already, which is simply nonsense. If Kramnik wins his last two (and he is White v Jones today; admittedly winning as Black v Adams tomorrow would be very hard to achieve "on demand") then Carlsen will need to win his last round v Anand to stay ahead. If Carlsen v Anand is a draw, then Carlsen and Kramnik would be tied on numbers of wins and even numbers of Black wins. Presumably Kramnik would actually nick it on S-B since he beat Naka while Carlsen "only" beat Aronian?

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:09 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:The hype around Carlsen's play also seems to extend to analysis of his tournament standings! Chessbase reports that he has won the event already, which is simply nonsense. If Kramnik wins his last two (and he is White v Jones today; admittedly winning as Black v Adams tomorrow would be very hard to achieve "on demand") then Carlsen will need to win his last round v Anand to stay ahead. If Carlsen v Anand is a draw, then Carlsen and Kramnik would be tied on numbers of wins and even numbers of Black wins. Presumably Kramnik would actually nick it on S-B since he beat Naka while Carlsen "only" beat Aronian?
If wins, black wins, and the individual game don't break the tie, it's straight to Armageddon (6+2 v 5+2, draw odds for Black).

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:24 pm

Magnus is starting to exert an 'aura'. In this he reminds me of Fischer, my first hero. People are beaten before they sit down. Think of Taimanov in 1971, who messed up several positions in the Candidate's match. He even lost a dead drawn ending in that match. I was reminded of that ending by the recent Naka - Adams game.

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:30 pm

Adams v Carlsen in this event could certainly have come straight from Taimanov v Fischer. If Adams draws with Kramnik tomorrow, it could well turn out to be the deciding game of the event (ie the one which separates Carlsen from Kramnik).

Kramnik already sure of a win today, Gawain could be forgiven if he were looking for an excuse to resign very soon. But how to play to beat Adams with Black, Vlad will soon be pondering ... is 1.e4 e5 really appropriate?

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:08 pm

What's with the change of format on the live games?
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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:35 pm

JustinHorton wrote:What's with the change of format on the live games?
Which bit?
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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:54 pm

For my part, I would say the fact that one cannot play through the previous moves (or can you?)

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:58 pm

Disaster for Luke (and now Gawain will be the only player not to win a game). 1 e4, for Luke, is surely normally best. Probably some child tried to play it for him at the start of the game - well, they always seem to guess White's first move wrongly, judging by Chessbase reports - and if so, Luke should have listened ...

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:58 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:For my part, I would say the fact that one cannot play through the previous moves (or can you?)
Press the H8 square then read the help
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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:00 pm

Carl Hibbard wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:What's with the change of format on the live games?
Which bit?
Instead of having four games listed, it lists one and you have to select from a drop-down menu. Also the moves run horizontally rather than vertically.

(I don't know if they used this format yesterday or Friday, or indeed Thursday because I wasn't watching online those days. But it wasn't the format earlier on.)

You can play through the moves, though.
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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:13 pm

Only the FIDE Open is on one of my servers so I cannot really comment on the format of the rest
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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by benedgell » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:25 pm

Bit of a shame Adams couldn't convert against McShane yesterday. That coupled with (hopefully) a win today against Aronian, and his last round game against Kramnik would've been mighty interesting. All the same its great to see him leading the charge for the Brits.

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Re: First thread on LCC 2012 ?

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:27 pm

Short was commentating with Carlsen earlier. I read a tweet which suggested that Nigel had a cheek discussing chess with Magnus on equal terms.

I seem to remember that Nigel beat Karpov in a match. That pedigree gives him the right to discuss chess with anyone on more or less equal terms.