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Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:10 pm
by JustinHorton
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 am
the same probably applies to the story, in a separate thread on this forum and involving entirely different people, concerning considerable sums of pension fund money.
I'm failing to see the substantial difference between the relevance of that story and this one.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:35 pm
by Gerard Killoran
Another - not too bad - Magnus story

https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/magnu ... utube.html

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:36 pm
by Roger Lancaster
JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:10 pm
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 am
the same probably applies to the story, in a separate thread on this forum and involving entirely different people, concerning considerable sums of pension fund money.
I'm failing to see the substantial difference between the relevance of that story and this one.
I'm not sure there's a substantial difference although there's certainly a difference both in the magnitude of the sums involved and the fact that one has been through a judicial process, where all the relevant facts were [presumably] divulged, and the other is the subject only of a local newspaper story. I alluded earlier to the possibility that, in the latter case, the business had been struggling for years in which event it would likely be more an issue of financial incompetence than criminal intent. If that is the case, and I've no inside knowledge, then putting the matter in the public domain would seem to me comparable to advertising County Court judgements against chess players.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:48 pm
by JustinHorton
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:36 pm
JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:10 pm
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 am
the same probably applies to the story, in a separate thread on this forum and involving entirely different people, concerning considerable sums of pension fund money.
I'm failing to see the substantial difference between the relevance of that story and this one.
I'm not sure there's a substantial difference .
Me neither, rendering further discussion futile.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:56 pm
by JustinHorton
Gerard Killoran wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:35 pm
Another - not too bad - Magnus story

https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/magnu ... utube.html
In an interview with a Norwegian newspaper in October, Carlsen admits he quit drinking for his health.
I confess I've missed this entirely. Does everybody know about this except me?

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:38 pm
by Paul Cooksey
I can't speak for everybody, but a lot of people, yes. We live in a golden age of internet chess broadcasts.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:00 pm
by Alan Kennedy
Roger Lancaster wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:45 am
JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:19 am
It's a media story involving a chessplayer
But I'm vaguely uncomfortable over when it's appropriate to use this forum to highlight someone's less-than-desirable but non-chess activity.
I agree, particularly when those who lost wages in 2011/2012 would have been able to claim back the sums lost from the insolvency service - up to the current limit of £525 if there employer had followed formal insolvency procedures. Justin - you may like to point your friends friend in that direction.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:54 pm
by Geoff Chandler
Regarding the Carlsen piece above viewtopic.php?f=2&p=240815#p240810
yes quite chatty but I see once again, yet again, Carlsen is 'The Mozart of Chess'
(I suppose now he has given up drinking we cannot call him Brahms or Liszt)
but in reality he should Mozart the 7th because 6 players before him have been likened to Mozart.

Morphy, Lasker, Tal, Spassky, Fischer and Karpov.
I'm sure some entrepid researcher will be able to discover a Capablanca/Mozart mention out there somewhere.)

Lubomir Kavalek should copyrighted the phrase when he threw it our to beat a deadline. It pops up all the time

Edward WInter link to previous uses of 'Mozart' https://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/mozart.html

Meanwhile Mozart's Horn Concerto No. 2 by the Norwegian Chamber Orchestra.
The Horn player is Felix Klieser who is using his feet. Incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3SlQYcuAEE

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:33 pm
by JustinHorton
Geoff Chandler wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:54 pm
Lubomir Kavalek should have copyrighted the phrase when he threw it out to beat a deadline.
A pedant writes: copyright over a text is established in the act of publication, and would extend to the concept expressed in the text, provided that a court held that the concept was one that was subject to copyright, which I very much doubt they would in this case. (Not that I'm an authority in this area. Interesting fact: somebody who is, albeit he's now retired, is Charles Oppenheim, who's a chess player.)

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:09 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
Harold Schonberg's book on chess history IIRC included the phrase "if Capablanca was the Mozart of chess, Alekhine was the Wagner".

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:49 pm
by Geoff Chandler
HI Matt,

Edward Winter actually mentions this:

"Schonberg referred to Capablanca as ‘the Mozart of chess’ on page 181 of Grandmasters of Chess (Philadelphia and New York, 1973)
as it was not bulleted I was not counting it. OK Magnus is Mozart VIII.

Recently looking though the November 1975 CHESS (page 61) Tal was mentioned in the same sentence as:
Vladimir Horowitz, Beethoven, Chopin, Mozart, Liszt and Rachmaninoff.

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1140162


Hi Justin,

I was joking.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:57 pm
by JustinHorton
I always assume you're joking Geoff

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:26 pm
by Gerard Killoran
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Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:56 pm
by Kevin Thurlow
Users of Amazon Prime might find a search for "chess" interesting. I've just watched the 2016 documentary "Magnus". There's other interesting items.

Re: Media comments on chess

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:57 pm
by Harry Duff
Ben Youngs (England's scrum half) in todays Daily Mail:

"The role of a 9 has changed so much", he said. "It's just like a game of chess now...…."