London Chess Classic 2013

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Andrew Stone » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:05 am

Keith Arkell wrote:Presumably if a qualifier for the rapidplay prefers to stay on and complete the International Open ( eg if he is an IM on line for a GM norm who doesn't need the money) then he will be allowed to play on and the 3rd highest rated on 4/4 will take the place instead?
It looks highly improbable anyone under 2600 will qualify. 12 players rated 2600+ are on 1/1 and with them having a 300-350 point advantage in Round 2, it would be a big surprise if less than 10 of them were on 2/2. You would imagine that at least 2 of them will win in rounds 3 and 4 given they will still be playing weaker players and will be very willing to take risks in getting to 4/4.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Keith Arkell » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:32 am

Agreed Andrew. Ok then what about if a wealthy 2600 qualifies, who doesn't like rapidplay?

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Andrew Stone » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:07 am

Keith Arkell wrote:Agreed Andrew. Ok then what about if a wealthy 2600 qualifies, who doesn't like rapidplay?
A wealthy 2600? This is chess we are talking about!

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Martin Crichton » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:36 pm

Agree with Andrew the two qualifers will be 2600+ ...but sounds like 4 rounds might not be enough to determine fairly the 2 best players in the open section as there is likely to be more than 2 players on 4/4

say 180+ players entered....we know after 1 round there are 82 players on 1/1

assume after 2 rounds 30 players on 2/2

after 3 rounds 12 players on 3/3

after 4 rounds 4 players on 4/4 (it might be more than 4 players) ....the players that miss out will be hard done by...

5 rounds would be needed to find the 2 players to qualify for the rapid.
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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by John R Moore » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:02 pm

The rules are very simple, the two leading players after 4 rounds will go into the "classic rapid play", if there are more than two players with the same score, the two highest rated players will qualify!

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by AustinElliott » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:29 pm

John R Moore wrote:The rules are very simple, the two leading players after 4 rounds will go into the "classic rapid play", if there are more than two players with the same score, the two highest rated players will qualify!
I thought Keith's point was what if the two 'qualifiers' weren't interested in being moved to the Super 16? Would qualification 'move down' to the next two?

One obvious scenario would be if the first prize for the FIDE Open were more than what was on offer for playing in the 'Super 16' (given the qualifiers, presumably all chess professionals, are relatively unlikely to be major prize contenders in the latter, but would be in the former).

I guess it may be that all the 2600+ brigade in the FIDE - who are presumably on some sort of expenses? - have agreed in advance that they would accept 'promotion' to the Super 16.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by John R Moore » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:38 pm

I think you could be right that the +2600 brigade would have already agreed in advance that they would move up to the classic, but looking at the prizes in the open and the classic, it makes sense to move up, as the 9-16 get €3125, and the winner of the open gets £2500

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by John Moore » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:00 pm

Sutovsky-Bates looks interesting. Richard had a huge think before playing d5 so we shall see.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:00 pm

John Moore wrote:Sutovsky-Bates looks interesting. Richard had a huge think before playing d5 so we shall see.
Comp says Bates's follow-up Nxd5 was unsound (Nd4!) and he is now busted. The English player on the live boards with a serious advantage against a GM is Alexander Longson.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Paul Dargan » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:15 pm

Yep I thought Bates' try looked interesting - but the silicon monsters say no ... sady the site seems to be down for me now, so I didnt see what happened after Qe4+

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by JustinHorton » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:35 pm

Is Peter Sowray beating Delchev?
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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:39 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Is Peter Sowray beating Delchev?

+1.47 says Chessbomb, with Black's best now 43...Rb2 or Rf8.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:45 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:
John Moore wrote:Sutovsky-Bates looks interesting. Richard had a huge think before playing d5 so we shall see.
Comp says Bates's follow-up Nxd5 was unsound (Nd4!) and he is now busted. The English player on the live boards with a serious advantage against a GM is Alexander Longson.
Alex drew, still a very good result
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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Martin Benjamin » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:32 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Is Peter Sowray beating Delchev?
The GM is producing an ingenious swindling effort. I think it is drawn after 58....g4 (I could be wrong). I think Peter went slightly astray and lost a crucial tempo or two with 54 b5 and trying to push the b pawn. Good result for Peter, nonetheless.

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Re: London Chess Classic 2013

Post by Graham Borrowdale » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:37 pm

I had a feeling white could play a6, effectively exchanging his a-pawn for black's b-pawn, without letting black take the pawn on g2. Then try to shepherd the b-pawn home without allowing so much k-side counterplay. As ever, its in my head, so probably wrong.

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