Fischer Number

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Matt Fletcher » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:10 am

Stewart Reuben wrote:Barry S Luke became World U8 Champion when just 8.
Do you mean U10? I remember playing him just afterwards (a draw) and thought it was the older age group.
Stewart Reuben wrote:I have a Morphy 3
Excellent, that gives me a 4 based on our London League game last season.

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Barry Sandercock » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:26 am

Thanks Stewart. I have an MN4 via. Penrose simul. as he is MN3. I also have a FN 3 as I beat John Littlewood in 2006 and he beat Uhlmann who beat Fischer. This is more fun than playing chess !

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:35 am

Leonard Barden wrote:I claim a Fischer number of 0.5.
I was hoping someone might explain, but how do you get a half number like that??

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:03 pm

"I was hoping someone might explain, but how do you get a half number like that??"

I believe Leonard was alluding to a consultation game...

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Barry Sandercock » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:13 pm

That's what I thought. Fischer/Barden v. Penrose/Clarke (1961) Adjudicated draw by Dr.Ewue.

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:17 pm

Ah, makes sense now. Thanks. :D

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Stewart Reuben » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:11 pm

Of course all of us who have played Leonard also get an Fischer fraction. Presumably Dr Euwe also got a fraction for that game and also Clarke and Penrose. My head swims.

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Nicky Chorley » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:38 pm

I've found a path for me that's 13 links long. I tried to optimise in the early links by trying to find the highest grades of opponents (going back only 1-3 years in the ECF database).

Nicky Chorley 1-0 Adrian Rutkowski (London League, 2014-11-26. Pretty happy with this win :D)
Adrian Rutkowski 1-0 Victor Bluett (Surrey League, 2014-02-26)
Matt Darville 0-1 Victor Bluett (Surrey League, 2013-04-10)
Matt Darville 1-0 Daniel Staples (CCF Dicky White Tournament, 2014-01-06)
Daniel Staples 1-0 Daniel Farkas (Central London League, 2014-02-13)
Daniel Farkas 1-0 Guillaume Camus (London League, 2014-03-24)
Jovanka Houska 0-1 Guillaume Camus (4NCL, 2014-05-03)
Jovanka Houska 1-0 Antoaneta Stefanova (Women's Chess Olympiad, 2008-11-19)
Antoaneta Stefanova 1-0 Radoslaw Wojtaszek (Tradewise Gibraltar, 2013-01-24)
Veselin Topalov 0-1 Radoslaw Wojtaszek (European Club Cup, 2013-10-25)
Veselin Topalov 1-0 Vladimir Kramnik (Candidates Tournament, 2014-03-19)
Vladimir Kramnik 1-0 Anatoly Karpov (Dortmund, 1997-07-04)
Anatoly Karpov 1-0 Boris Spassky (Tilburg, 1980-11-29)
Boris Spassky 1-0 Robert Fischer (World Championship, 1972-07-11)
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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:41 pm

Nicky Chorley wrote:I've found a path for me that's 13 links long.
The extent of your research alone is impressive let alone the final result.. How long did that take?

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Nicky Chorley » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:43 pm

I'm not sure, maybe an hour or so. It was kinda fun :D.

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by John Moore » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:18 pm

Good luck in reducing your Fischer number in the future

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Rob Thompson » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:46 am

Off-hand, I can find an improvement for you:

Nicky Chorley 1-0 Adrian Rutkowski (London League, 2014-11-26. Pretty happy with this win :D)
Adrian Rutkowski 1-0 Victor Bluett (Surrey League, 2014-02-26)
Matt Darville 0-1 Victor Bluett (Surrey League, 2013-04-10)
Matt Darville 1-0 Daniel Staples (CCF Dicky White Tournament, 2014-01-06)
Daniel Staples 1-0 Richard Bryant (E2E4 Sunningdale Easter, 19/04/2014)
Richard Bryant 1-0 Rob Thompson (Paignton Congress, 04/09/2011)

From there I've beaten John Littlewood (in 2009), and the path becomes well trodden. This would give you a number of 8. I'm sure that this could be reduced further, but perhaps not in a route that includes me.
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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Nicky Chorley » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:13 am

Cool :D.

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:58 am

Rob Thompson wrote: From there I've beaten John Littlewood (in 2009) ....
In which case I have a Fischer and Kasparov number too. I always imagined I hadn’t.

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Re: Fischer Number

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:01 am

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Rob Thompson wrote: From there I've beaten John Littlewood (in 2009) ....
In which case I have a Fischer and Kasparov number too. I always imagined I hadn’t.
I'd be surprised if there's any active English player over about, say, 40, who has a Kasparov number greater than 5 or 6. Adams and Short have both beaten Kasparov, so are 1s. There must be lots of people who beat them when they were young players who will be 2s, and you're already including average club players who will have lost to lots of other average players.

Add on 2 for Fischer numbers, and then apply the above, so older players are unlikely to have a Fischer number greater than 7 or 8.

(Anyone who's beaten me is no more than Kasparov 3, Fischer 5).

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