Banning the Exchange French

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Roger de Coverly
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Banning the Exchange French

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:47 pm

A tournament organiser in America would like to ban the Exchange French amongst other rewrites of the Laws of Chess

From http://millionairechess.com/tournament/ ... -policies/
The TD can deem that players are not making a serious effort to play a real game. For example, some unacceptable situations would be:

If two players on the top boards make a quick draw using some well known theoretical opening that forces a three-fold repetition.
If the two players play an intentionally lifeless opening with the object of steering the game towards a dead draw as soon as possible. For example, playing the exchange French defense and immediately trading off all the pieces is not acceptable.
Continuous repetitions in order to get to the time control will be considered an infraction of the rules.
I can't really see the tournament taking place. It's all very well advertising a million dollars as the prize fund, but with the entry fee at least one thousand dallars, are they going to get 1,500 players to sign up before March 31st for a tournament that doesn't take place until October?
The organizers reserve the right to cancel the tournament if 1,500 participants are not registered by March 31, 2014. In such a case all entry fees will be reimbursed in full upon decision.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:48 pm

Evidently not a fan of this series.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by John Hickman » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:11 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:A tournament organiser in America would like to ban the Exchange French amongst other rewrites of the Laws of Chess
The tournament rules don't ban the Exchange French.

Have another read.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:30 pm

John Hickman wrote: The tournament rules don't ban the Exchange French.
Surely that is the intent, along with Qe2 in the Petroff and other Hoovering systems?
The TD can deem that players are not making a serious effort to play a real game.
and
If the two players play an intentionally lifeless opening with the object of steering the game towards a dead draw as soon as possible. For example, playing the exchange French defense and immediately trading off all the pieces is not acceptable.
I agree it's not very exciting chess, to trade everything off except perhaps a pair of Rooks. But if you suspect your opponent of being weak in endings, it is or should be a valid way of playing for a win.

Arbiters have pushed for sudden death time controls to be replaced by increments, so as to remove the responsibility for judging play under 10.2 and its sucessor. You really wouldn't want to give them power to decide that a particular opening was too boring to be allowed.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Geoff Chandler » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:52 pm

It reads:

"playing the exchange French defense and immediately trading off all the pieces is not acceptable."

You can play the Exchange French as long as you do not immediately start trading off all the pieces.

Nothing wrong with the Exchange French. Good move. Loads of attacking ideas and gambits available.
The look on the face of the Black player is worth it as you watch his opening theory dribble out of his earhole.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:21 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:You can play the Exchange French as long as you do not immediately start trading off all the pieces.

Nothing wrong with the Exchange French. Good move. Loads of attacking ideas and gambits available.
The most active approach for White is the line that Kasparov chose, namely 4 c4. The resulting pawn structures can facilitate piece exchanges as White will allow dxc4 or play exd5 himself. This leaves an IQP structure, but Black can liquidate with c5. It's often a draw in under thirty moves.


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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:34 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:A tournament organiser in America would like to ban the Exchange French amongst other rewrites of the Laws of Chess

From http://millionairechess.com/tournament/ ... -policies/
The TD can deem that players are not making a serious effort to play a real game. For example, some unacceptable situations would be:

If two players on the top boards make a quick draw using some well known theoretical opening that forces a three-fold repetition.
If the two players play an intentionally lifeless opening with the object of steering the game towards a dead draw as soon as possible. For example, playing the exchange French defense and immediately trading off all the pieces is not acceptable.
Continuous repetitions in order to get to the time control will be considered an infraction of the rules.
I wonder what the organisers would make of the following recently played game, had it finished with a draw by repetition at move 11 (particularly as the computer says Black is clearly worse after any move other than taking the Knight):


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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:38 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
The most active approach for White is the line that Kasparov chose …
As a point of order (OK, pedantry) I don't think he did.


As for this tournament, I wouldn't pay £10 to enter an event with rules as quoted above let alone £1,000. Mind you, I can't imagine what the rules would have to be for me to actually pay that much for a chess event.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:49 pm

Ian Thompson wrote: I wonder what the organisers would make of the following recently played game, had it finished with a draw by repetition at move 11 (particularly as the computer says Black is clearly worse after any move other than taking the Knight):
It appears to be a new discovery or new use by Gelfand, as he played Be2 instead of taking on f6 against Ivanchuk in the World Blitz of 2012.

Presumably OK as a new idea, but if played once in a high profile game, even if only in the notes, does that make it "well known" ?

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Geoff Chandler » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:04 pm

"The most active approach for White is the line that Kasparov chose..."
Kasparov played 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Bd3 v Korchnoi.

But we should not be talking about Kasparov games thinking we can suddenly play like him.
At the lower levels, our level. Black wins more than White in the Exchange French.



That is because White is in zuggers and any plan White adopts Black can counter it.
The most active approach is not the best policy here.
We gambit the first move advantage. 4.Be2 will do it.
Then play the game as though we were Black and counteract their plan.

Of course Black can answer 4...Be7 and play the: 'You Think of Something to do Defence'.
This is good chess. You have to play doing nothing moves waiting for him to crack.
The first one to think of something to do losses.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:10 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:As a point of order (OK, pedantry) I don't think he did.
There's this game which transposes
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1553571

It must have got some publicity as it was around that time, that I started playing it. Perhaps he suggested it in an annotation.

My stats in standard and rapid were P37 w13 D17 L7.

I'm regarding it now as only a reserve weapon as my front line approach has recently scored 10 7 2 1 and the 1 was only because I blundered after neglecting to win my opponent's queen for next to nothing. But I do seem to have seen a lot of the French, people hoping for a quiet life in the Exchange perhaps?

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:15 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Jonathan Bryant wrote:As a point of order (OK, pedantry) I don't think he did.
There's this game which transposes
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1553571

Oh, playing c2-c4 after Nf3 Bd6 is certainly a standard line - but it's not at all the same thing as playing c2-c4 on move 4. The point is that after Black has played his bishop to d6 White argues that he's gained something in that in the (potential) IQP set ups it would rather be on b4 or e7.

It is the existence of such nuances that makes the French Exchange such a fascinating and vibrant opening.

Morphy also favoured the French exchange, of course.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Joey Stewart » Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:16 pm

The exchange french is an advantageous opening for white - black players hate to see all their hacking play brought to an immediate halt and usually respond negatively to it, ending in some sort of snide comment about white was not even trying to win, usually after they have lost!
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.

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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:06 pm

As already mentioned, Black has a good score against it in master play - though that is partly through weaker players essaying it hoping for a draw.
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Re: Banning the Exchange French

Post by Joey Stewart » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:27 pm

Yeah, probably the same as such lines as the c3 Sicilian or exchange Slav (if you thought the French was bad this is ten times worse). Both are OK'ish openings but would be employed for drawing purposes and so rarely played to their full potential so the stats look bad for them.
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.