Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by David Robertson » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:11 pm

He'd have liked that

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Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:46 pm

Tim Harding wrote:There was also a sighting of the Penguin at Bunratty where he was introduced at the prizegiving as SIR Raymond Keene OBE.
Absolutely fantastic.
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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:09 pm

Yeah, he wishes :lol:
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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:23 am

Maybe we could start a petition?
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Post by O.G. Urcan » Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:29 am

On Twitter yesterday, Steve Giddins called the article at http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... smell.html an "outrageous attack on the Varsity Match."

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Post by JustinHorton » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:00 am

That's OK, I'm sure Steve will sign my petition for Ray's knighthood.

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Post by Brian Towers » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:15 am

O.G. Urcan wrote:On Twitter yesterday, Steve Giddins called the article at http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... smell.html an "outrageous attack on the Varsity Match."
He does have a point. It does smack somewhat of the stalking of a jilted lover. Keene MA (Cantab) is an old boy and probably their first ever grandmaster. It would appear completely appropriate for him to attend the Varsity match.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Post by JustinHorton » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:19 am

Only if "completely appropriate to attend" means "completely appropriate to front the event despite having professional standards that would get you expelled from either university a dozen times over".
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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by David Robertson » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:39 am

Oo, a ruck developing. Jolly good :lol:

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Post by Clive Blackburn » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:00 pm

JustinHorton wrote:That's OK, I'm sure Steve will sign my petition for Ray's knighthood.

"For publicising the work of other chess writers above and beyond the call of duty."
Publishing the work of other chess writers yes, but definitely not publicising them! :wink:

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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:18 pm

I think some of this might stem from a misunderstanding?

The tweet from John Saunders:

https://twitter.com/johnchess/status/57 ... 36/photo/1

"Varsity Chess Match: both teams and organisers before the match".

Is Ray Keene really one of the organisers? I'm not actually entirely clear who organises the event. I thought it was the RAC Club that hosts the event, and the two university clubs that jointly organise it. Then you have various alumni and non-alumni spectators and press people attending (some every year without fail), but that doesn't mean they are 'organisers'.

This is the tweet by Steve Giddins:

https://twitter.com/GiddinsSteve/status ... 5870032896

"John Saunders removes Bedlam Brigade blog from his links page [...] Coincidence?"

And Colin Crouch insults Justin Horton in a reply there.

Back on the S&B blog:

http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... smell.html

An anonymous comment points out a mistake.

Brian Towers (above) throws unnecessary insults around. David Robertson chortling from the sidelines.

Back on the blog, someone identified Peter A N Webster. I wonder who the others in the photo are? (The ones holding the trophy)? You'd think people would focus on the actual players, the ones playing the chess, wouldn't you? :roll:

I'm glad I didn't go, as I might have ended up in the photo by accident...

EDIT: I believe the sponsor has been (and still is?) Henry Mutkin, who would be in the photo? From the comments here:

http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... olour.html

EDIT 2: some bits removed from original post.

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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:17 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:I wonder who the others in the photo are? (The ones holding the trophy)?
On the right, in the blue jacket, is Henry Mutkin.

On the left, in the brown jacket, is Stephem Meyler, Chairman of the RAC Chess Circle, which now sponsors the match jointly with Henry.

I'm not going to get involved in the mud-slinging.

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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by Carl Hibbard » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:52 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:I wonder who the others in the photo are? (The ones holding the trophy)?
On the right, in the blue jacket, is Henry Mutkin.

On the left, in the brown jacket, is Stephem Meyler, Chairman of the RAC Chess Circle, which now sponsors the match jointly with Henry.

I'm not going to get involved in the mud-slinging.
I will.
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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by Andrew Zigmond » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:35 pm

I'm not being funny but don't those who have an obsession with everything Mr Keene does have a blog complete with comments for them to discuss it to their hearts content?
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Re: Keene's claim to have won "22 national championship titles."

Post by Niall Doran » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:55 pm

Yes they do, Andrew.

But this is also a forum for discussing English chess, so the subject is relevant. In a way, it's even better to discuss this type of thing here, as it's neutral ground, whereas anyone trying to defend Mr Keene on the Streatham Blog might feel they're playing on away turf.

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