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Does This Have a Name?

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:16 pm

There is an uncommon variation in the c3 sicilian where white recaptures on d4 with his queen instead of the pawn (something along the lines of 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.d4 cxd4 6. Qxd4... )

It is a bit wierd but seems ok for white, but I wondered if it has been christened or still just one of those oddball sidelines that remains unnamed?
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Re: Does This Have a Name?

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:27 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:There is an uncommon variation in the c3 sicilian where white recaptures on d4 with his queen instead of the pawn (something along the lines of 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.d4 cxd4 6. Qxd4... )

It is a bit wierd but seems ok for white, but I wondered if it has been christened or still just one of those oddball sidelines that remains unnamed?
I believe the common term for 6. Qxd4 is a "horrendous blunder". :lol:

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Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:32 pm

Yeah, maybe that is why that version never made the mainstream theory....

Just checked it out in a database and it actually goes 1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 cxd4 5.Qxd4 e6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Qe5 f5
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Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:39 pm

Joey Stewart wrote: It is a bit wierd but seems ok for white, but I wondered if it has been christened or still just one of those oddball sidelines that remains unnamed?
The sequence 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. Qxd4 has been played a few times. Black plays .. e6 and .. Nc6 and the queen moves to e4.

I wouldn't associate any particular name with it, although notorious Yugoslav player Matulovic was one of the first to play it regularly. Bronstein played it as well, but like Nimzowitsch, you can associate his name with almost everything.

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Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:35 pm

An amusing statisctic for this opening, at least in chessgames.com, is that it has a 100% draw rate!
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Post by Michael Bennett » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:32 pm

I think Karpov played this against Miles in The Master Game?
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Post by Michael Bennett » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:50 pm

Actually it was Hort - Miles:

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Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:26 pm

ooo, so it is possible for white to win. I bet miles was annoyed at losing to a punk like that.
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Re: Does This Have a Name?

Post by Stephen Saunders » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:02 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: I wouldn't associate any particular name with it
I'd just call it a Sicilian Alapin (ie 2.c3) myself; the same position can be reached by 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Qxd4 so one could call it Morra Gambit declined, I suppose!

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Re: Does This Have a Name?

Post by Stephen Saunders » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:08 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:ooo, so it is possible for white to win. I bet miles was annoyed at losing to a punk like that.
Actually Miles had a very poor record against Hort up till 1983 when they drew an exhibition match 5-5. And Hort had played 2.c3 several times before with good results, so Miles would not have been surprised by it.

I suspect that not many Dragon players welcome seeing 2.c3 on the board, though!

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Re: Does This Have a Name?

Post by Francis Fields » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:46 pm

I think that the variation isn't very good though I have never had a punk play it against me!

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