Cheating in chess

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:23 am

Jon Mahony wrote:I’ve never agreed with this philosophy of allowing engines in CC, I can see the point of view that its hard to police, but it seems to defeat the object of bothering at all to be honest. I play on Scheming Mind, which allows engines, but I never bother personally. I can always tell in first 15 moves or so, if I’m been a whipping boy for Stockfish or not.
I had an experience on RHP in which I had an extremely interesting and well-fought game for about twenty moves after which I refused a draw. Subsequently I was blown off the board in fewer than another ten.
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Jon Mahony » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:09 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Jon Mahony wrote:I’ve never agreed with this philosophy of allowing engines in CC, I can see the point of view that its hard to police, but it seems to defeat the object of bothering at all to be honest. I play on Scheming Mind, which allows engines, but I never bother personally. I can always tell in first 15 moves or so, if I’m been a whipping boy for Stockfish or not.
I had an experience on RHP in which I had an extremely interesting and well-fought game for about twenty moves after which I refused a draw. Subsequently I was blown off the board in fewer than another ten.
Won't take my draw, on goes the engine :wink:

I think some players won't deliberately set out to cheat, more talk themselves into it "Oh I know this is won... I'll just check."

I always enjoy CC sites until I hit about 1900 and I’m in with all the 2200+’s in tournaments, it’s me and my chess book Vs Megabase (perfectly legal) and engine once the position becomes unique.

When I can tell I’m in games like that I just loose interest, give each game 5 seconds thought and just play until I’m obviously lost and resign. No chance of winning any tournaments until the rating goes down enough to jump in about 5 under 1800 ones, rating goes back up, back to square one.

Slow though it is, postal Chess is actually much more enjoyable to me, as it’s usually against old blokes who’ve never held a mouse :)
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by IanCalvert » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:28 pm

Does England have a representative on the FIDE cheating committee or does Brusells have competence.

Perhaps a former British champion with the appropriate gravitas such as say Bill Hartston might be appropriate??

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:42 pm

IanCalvert wrote:Does England have a representative on the FIDE cheating committee or does Brusells have competence.
The FIDE website has details
http://www.fide.com/fide/directory/fide ... =committee

There's no English representative, but Andy Howie of Scotland is listed.

Several European Federations are also represented.

Andy Howie is currently listed as Executive Director of Chess Scotland
http://www.chessscotland.com/membership ... actsCS.htm
which I could suppose is a broadly similar status and role to that of Phil Ehr.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:19 am

After a flurry of activity last year, I don't really know what the Anti-Cheating Commission has been doing. I hope to learn something at the Congress, although they have not submitted an agenda for their meeting.

Sebastien Feller is back, and was allowed to retain his rating from before the ban, which looks controversial to me.
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Alex McFarlane » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:31 am

My info is that there will not be an Anti-Cheating Commission meeting in Abu Dhabi.

I also believe that the Commission has been fairly active behind the scenes.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:56 am

Jon Mahony wrote: Won't take my draw, on goes the engine :wink:
I had a similar experience twice against the same guy on RHP. Both games followed the same pattern: he played pretty badly and I went a piece up without too much trouble - at which point he suddenly gets spectacularly difficult to beat

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:23 am

Alex McFarlane wrote:My info is that there will not be an Anti-Cheating Commission meeting in Abu Dhabi.

I also believe that the Commission has been fairly active behind the scenes.
This is appalling news, although I am not completely surprised. The whole point is that the chess world needs to be reassured that something can be done, and is being done, about cheating. Being active behind the scenes is precisely what is not required.
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by John Clarke » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:02 pm

Anyone got any further details about this? E.g. game scores, or an eye-witness account.
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:55 pm

John Clarke wrote:Anyone got any further details about this
It's been added to an extremely long running thread.

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php ... 40#p162935

Some fairly weak player got tooled up to have a moment of glory, but was busted by the organisers.

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Re: Cheating in chess

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Austin Lockwood » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:56 am

Hi Jon
Jon Mahony wrote: I play on Scheming Mind, which allows engines
I can assure you that this is most certainly not the case!

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Andy Howie » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:58 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
IanCalvert wrote:Does England have a representative on the FIDE cheating committee or does Brusells have competence.
The FIDE website has details
http://www.fide.com/fide/directory/fide ... =committee

There's no English representative, but Andy Howie of Scotland is listed.

Several European Federations are also represented.

Andy Howie is currently listed as Executive Director of Chess Scotland
http://www.chessscotland.com/membership ... actsCS.htm
which I could suppose is a broadly similar status and role to that of Phil Ehr.

Damn I have been outed :)

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Jon Mahony » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:54 pm

Austin Lockwood wrote:Hi Jon
Jon Mahony wrote: I play on Scheming Mind, which allows engines
I can assure you that this is most certainly not the case!

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Hi Austin,

I seem to remember a problem with regards to SCCA games and engines on SM recently - consequently all our SCCA games played on SM were made ungraded, because engines are not allowed in the SCCA but are on SM.
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Austin Lockwood » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:59 pm

Hi Jon,

Actually the opposite; the games can't be graded on the SchemingMind rating system because SCCA allows engine use but SM doesn't.

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