Cheating in chess

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Nick Grey
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Nick Grey » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:42 pm

Or old player.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Joseph Conlon » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:17 pm

Lichess puzzle rating explicitly allows engine use, going back to the game, etc (unless there has been a recent policy change) so it is not a measure of very much. Even without that, puzzle ratings still don’t mean very much as there is a big difference between trying to solve it in 5 seconds and allowing oneself 10 minutes with moving the pieces.

On the overall subject of this thread, my son played a subsequently banned user for the second U8 gigafinal running. I don’t know how much this is a feature of him being unlucky, and how much this is a feature of me being better able to spot and report engine use than an average chess parent. While false bans may discourage one set of players, it is also true that a failure to ban engine users discourages many others. It also destroys the ordinary feedback mechanism that is part of player improvement - at every level of the game, but especially with juniors, there exists practical chess involving objectively unsound attacks that still win games. Unknowingly playing an engine tells a junior that their attacking ideas are complete failures when they are in fact perfectly good for their level.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Paul Cooksey » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:30 pm

KMcCarthy wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:38 pm
...and if people do not like being found out then surely not cheating is the easiest way around that
I'd disagree. The simplest way to avoid being accused of cheating is not to play.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:14 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:30 pm
I'd disagree. The simplest way to avoid being accused of cheating is not to play.
Deliberately not trying to make good moves should usually work.
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:54 pm


Tim Spanton
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Tim Spanton » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:57 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:54 pm
IM Elisabeth Pähtz: Statement

https://www.chess-international.com/?p= ... 5DEu9nFQeQ
It includes the classic line: "I hope my privacy can be respected during this time."

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Harry Duff » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:14 pm

And what exactly is 'digital hygiene?'

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by J T Melsom » Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:40 pm

Harry Duff wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:14 pm
And what exactly is 'digital hygiene?'
Taking steps to ensure the health/protection of your on-line presence whether social media or other activity. There is a lot about this if you do a simple on-line search.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:31 pm

Unfortunately, and completely without my knowledge, a member of my team who already had access to my YouTube channel, had also gained access to my official Lichess account. That team member, thinking they were helping me, played on my account multiple times to keep it active and raise my online profile and brand.
I would have thought impersonating someone else on a chess server was an absolute no no. Is there also an allegation that the substitute used chess engines, or was it just abusive comments?

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by David Robertson » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:54 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:54 pm
IM Elisabeth Pähtz: Statement
https://www.chess-international.com/?p= ... 5DEu9nFQeQ
Das Korporatbranddefendingstatement mit Verstehenichtnachträglich

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Ian Thompson » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:00 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:31 pm
Unfortunately, and completely without my knowledge, a member of my team who already had access to my YouTube channel, had also gained access to my official Lichess account. That team member, thinking they were helping me, played on my account multiple times to keep it active and raise my online profile and brand.
I would have thought impersonating someone else on a chess server was an absolute no no. Is there also an allegation that the substitute used chess engines, or was it just abusive comments?
The player was getting better results than Elizabeth Pähtz usually does. Reports say they defeated some very strong players. There are claims here of high matching rates with engine moves.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:05 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:00 pm
There are claims here of high matching rates with engine moves.
High matching rates to engines can just be a mixture of coincidence and prior game study, particularly in games that hardly leave the themes of the opening. Having someone else playing whilst pretending to be you is just a straightforward admission of guilt.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:34 am

Assuming, of course. there was someone else

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by E Michael White » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:12 am

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:30 pm
The simplest way to avoid being accused of cheating is not to play.
Elizabeth Pahtz may disagree.

In a new twist Ken Regan's screening tool is to be used to detect English arbiters closely following FIDE laws. To date no significant matching has been found.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:51 am

ChessTech piece which seeks to exonerate Pähtz but in the view of the present writer loses all credibility by choosing not to name the alleged aide.
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