Re: Cheating in chess
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:22 pm
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All of 2.8 does.
The laws of OTB prohibit external consultation. You could still observe this with a muted phone, but it's simplest to proscribe that the phone be completely off for the duration of the game.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:02 pm
Would you then be happy for the phone to be on but muted, provided that the muting was guaranteed to be effective?
Too difficult for me, but I have been puzzled for years that nobody with the requisite skills has done this.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:36 amhow difficult it would be to set up your own/a publicly available version of it so you could provide it with your own database of games to assess.
If serious chess is to be played on-line in circumstances where arbiters cannot physically be present, something that replicates over the board mutual observation would seem necessary.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:38 pmWould anyone with any sense be willing to allow their device to be taken over remotely?
Do you have to set up a slop bucket in the corner?Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:38 pmA 9 rounds online tournament to be played at standard time controls (90 minutes + 30 seconds increment) with quite a lot of prize money at stake, although the prize winners will be determined by a subsequent blitz knockout phase.
Do they really think they can enforce these rules and stop people cheating:
"All players must have a webcam and the possibility of audio activation in their playing devices. Moreover, players have to have an active Skype account in order to communicate with referees or to be contacted by them.
"It is not allowed the presence of more than one player in a room or in a playing area, and no more persons can be in that room or playing area while the game is being played. It is also strictly forbidden to have in the playing room or playing area any other electronical device than the one being used to play.
"All games will be surveilled by Chess.com’s fair play algorithm. They will also be surveilled by arbiters. Furthermore, arbiters will be entitled to use video surveillance of players. Games under video surveillance can be decided both prior to the start of each round, randomly during each round or even by request of a player (arbiters reserve the right to decide in each case). In order to allow video surveillance, players will have to enter a link provided by the organization prior to the start of the round, or when they are asked to (Zoom software will be used for video surveillance).
"A player who fails to let arbiters use that video surveillance (using the player’s webcam), even of the room or playing area he or she is playing at (in order to check if there are other people in the room or area, an electronic device, etc.), may be removed from the tournament immediately.
"Games will be reviewed using Chess.com's fair play review process that may – after arbiters’ additional review – lead to removing a player from the tournament between or in the middle of rounds.
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"If arbiters need to contact a player during the round they may use Skype to do so. If a player does not allow such communication, he or she may also be withdrawn from the tournament, losing all his or her rights. The Tournament Organization may request identification proof from all participants.
"Players authorize referees to take control of their playing device in order to check if they are running other inadequate software in case they have doubts on this point."
Would anyone with any sense be willing to allow their device to be taken over remotely?
When playing at home with no arbiter present, isn't the Rausis style of cheating straightforward for the unscrupulous, even with video surveillance of the playing chair?
One of the features on the new online chess world arising from the lockdowns is that major events seem to take place at very short notice. In this instance, the announcement quoted by Ian was made today and the tournament starts in two days' time. Admittedly, players do not need to make travel and accommodation arrangements, but it's unfortunate if they have no proper opportunity to consider the import of Regulations such as these.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:38 pmGames will be reviewed using Chess.com's fair play review process that may – after arbiters’ additional review – lead to removing a player from the tournament between or in the middle of rounds.
Any form of electronic cheating would seem pretty easy when a physical search of the player and his surroundings isn't possible.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:47 pmWhen playing at home with no arbiter present, isn't the Rausis style of cheating straightforward for the unscrupulous, even with video surveillance of the playing chair?
FIDE is looking into eye-tracking as an indicator of forbidden assistance
Also from your linkMick Norris wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:05 pmChesstech News Cheaters caught in two online competitions this week
I don't see that working in the slightest as it outlaws using pre-prepared theoretical variations.Therefore FIDE plans to let all participants sign a clause that they accept to be expelled from a tournament if their play shows a high overlap with engine moves.