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Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:41 am
by JustinHorton
Joey Stewart wrote:I am pretty sure there are single mothers who 'earn' more then I do in full time employment.
If you provide us with some figures, we'll be able to judge that contention for ourselves.

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:58 am
by PeterFarr
JustinHorton wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:I am pretty sure there are single mothers who 'earn' more then I do in full time employment.
If you provide us with some figures, we'll be able to judge that contention for ourselves.
Plenty of statistics here, (with proper source references just to please Justin). It's not a picnic being a single mother.

https://gingerbread.org.uk/content/365/Statistics#

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:10 am
by Jonathan Bryant
JustinHorton wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:I am pretty sure there are single mothers who 'earn' more then I do in full time employment.
If you provide us with some figures, we'll be able to judge that contention for ourselves.


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Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:26 am
by Mick Norris
PeterFarr wrote:Plenty of statistics here, (with proper source references just to please Justin). It's not a picnic being a single mother.

https://gingerbread.org.uk/content/365/Statistics#
Or a single father :roll: I see I am a 1 in 10 :shock:

Interesting stats though

I wouldn't want a discount at my chess club just because I'm a single parent - we do have a problem, in the sense that most members at Bury don't pay full subs because they are retired/unwaged/juniors, but we don't have a shortage of club funds due to years of hard work raising them running Rapidplays

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:56 am
by PeterFarr
Mick Norris wrote:
Or a single father :roll: I see I am a 1 in 10 :shock:
Yes, sorry; underlines how easy it is to stereotype.

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:03 am
by JustinHorton
PeterFarr wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:I am pretty sure there are single mothers who 'earn' more then I do in full time employment.
If you provide us with some figures, we'll be able to judge that contention for ourselves.
Plenty of statistics here, (with proper source references just to please Justin). It's not a picnic being a single mother.

https://gingerbread.org.uk/content/365/Statistics#
I believe my mother used to be National Secretary of that organisation.

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:35 am
by Mick Norris
PeterFarr wrote:
Mick Norris wrote:
Or a single father :roll: I see I am a 1 in 10 :shock:
Yes, sorry; underlines how easy it is to stereotype.
That's ok Peter, I know being a parent is hard work for nearly everyone, whatever their situation

I don't take Joey seriously :wink:

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:01 am
by Paul Habershon
It's always amazed me how controversial chess club annual subs can be. Usually we are discussing sums of about £50 PER YEAR! People will violently oppose a £5 increase, adjourn to the pub and spend twice as much on drinks in ONE EVENING. If anyone, single mothers included, is agonising over paying £15 (discount) or £45 to cover a whole year, they must be suffering such hardship that luxuries such as chess club membership should be out of the question.

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:30 pm
by Mark Ashley
Paul Habershon wrote:It's always amazed me how controversial chess club annual subs can be. Usually we are discussing sums of about £50 PER YEAR! People will violently oppose a £5 increase, adjourn to the pub and spend twice as much on drinks in ONE EVENING. If anyone, single mothers included, is agonising over paying £15 (discount) or £45 to cover a whole year, they must be suffering such hardship that luxuries such as chess club membership should be out of the question.
I've always thought chess players are a stingy lot. Maybe that just comes from watching many of them, when i was a kid, poor over books at congress stalls and not buying anything.

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:01 pm
by Joshua Gibbs
i shouldnt have typed what i did

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:05 pm
by JustinHorton
Joshua Gibbs wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:I am pretty sure there are single mothers who 'earn' more then I do in full time employment.
theres some single mother at Atticus in Liverpool who earns more than men, laughs at a player with learning difficulties, called me and others names behind their backs and thinks there is nothing wrong with her beaviour. This creature gets given more than the men she criticizes and has money from a divorce. But of course she will get a reduced rated.
Joshua Gibbs wrote:
Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Joshua Gibbs wrote:what does everyone else think?
I think you should get over your Atticus issues and move on.
Its got nothing to do with Atticus mate. I was browsing their site because I like reading it :)

Atticus is just an example....
In all seriousness if I never read another name-free and evidence-free anecdote about Atticus from this poster it'll be far too soon.

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:13 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
Mark Ashley wrote:
Paul Habershon wrote:It's always amazed me how controversial chess club annual subs can be. Usually we are discussing sums of about £50 PER YEAR! People will violently oppose a £5 increase, adjourn to the pub and spend twice as much on drinks in ONE EVENING. If anyone, single mothers included, is agonising over paying £15 (discount) or £45 to cover a whole year, they must be suffering such hardship that luxuries such as chess club membership should be out of the question.
I've always thought chess players are a stingy lot. Maybe that just comes from watching many of them, when i was a kid, poor over books at congress stalls and not buying anything.
That's quite an apposite typo in the circumstances :)

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:14 pm
by Mike Truran
theres some single mother at Atticus in Liverpool who earns more than men, laughs at a player with learning difficulties, called me and others names behind their backs and thinks there is nothing wrong with her beaviour. This creature gets given more than the men she criticizes and has money from a divorce. But of course she will get a reduced rated.
Only one Atticus female player listed on the ECF grading database.

If I were you I would be a little more careful about the possible legal consequences of your posts. :roll:

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:29 pm
by Mick Norris
Mike Truran wrote:Only one Atticus female player listed on the ECF grading database
I played Natasha in the 4NCL a couple of years ago, and had the pleasure of analysing the game afterwards and then chatting with her over a drink; she was very nice - I think she teaches at a school and is/was involved with CSC

Re: paid and unpaid disparity

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:37 pm
by Joshua Gibbs
Mick Norris wrote:
Mike Truran wrote:Only one Atticus female player listed on the ECF grading database
I played Natasha in the 4NCL a couple of years ago, and had the pleasure of analysing the game afterwards and then chatting with her over a drink; she was very nice - I think she teaches at a school and is/was involved with CSC

im not here to go into personal disputes... i was asked for an example....