Strongest chess-playing politicians?

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Re: Strongest chess-playing politicians?

Post by John Moore » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:25 am

Gary - Julius Silverman was a very strong player but the elite player that he beat was Erich Eliskases (at Birmingham in 1937) and not Paul Keres. At that time, Eliskases was not so very much weaker than Keres, if at all, but it looks as though he underestimated Silverman.

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Re: Strongest chess-playing politicians?

Post by Gary Kenworthy » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:56 am

Hi John,
Thanks. I think E Eliskases is a Kings Bishop Gambit, whilst P Keres Margate 1937 (If recall right, it is a Falkbeer Counter Gambit-- e4 e5, f4 d5 ed e4 d3 with Silverman white each time. -Silverman produced at ! TN versus Keres. Quickly into a winning minor piece ending. [I will do some checking this evening). Thanks again John.

BTW: Gerry Walsh's MP mate is/ was Ashok Kumar.

Brain Walden son - Philip was about 195 when I played him. Unsure on his dads' grade.
Rachel reeves is another name, but very well down the list

Sir W Rutherford is still news to me -- I never remember finding him years ago. Rgds GK

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Re: Strongest chess-playing politicians?

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:25 am

Gary Kenworthy wrote:Hi John,
Thanks. I think E Eliskases is a Kings Bishop Gambit, whilst P Keres Margate 1937 (If recall right, it is a Falkbeer Counter Gambit-- e4 e5, f4 d5 ed e4 d3 with Silverman white each time. -Silverman produced at ! TN versus Keres. Quickly into a winning minor piece ending.
Your memory is playing tricks, Gary. Silverman v Eliskases, Birmingham 1937 indeed happened, ending in a Qxh7+ mate, but Silverman did not play at Margate 1937. Julius was basically just a strong amateur and Birmingham 1937 was his only international tournament.
Perhaps you saw Milner-Barry v Keres, Margate 1937, which opened 1 e4 e5 2 f4 d5 3 Nc3!? d4 4 Nce2 Bg4 5 d3, drawn in 37 in a rook ending. The only 3 exd5 e4 4 d3 1-0 game at Margate 1937 was Alexander v Buerger. Keres did play the line with both colours, but it is unclear which other game you might have been thinking of.
Silverman v Eliskases:
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.Nf3 d5 6.exd5 cxd5
7.Bb3 Bd6 8.O-O O-O 9.d4 Be6 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Qb6+ 12.Kh1
Ng4 13.Qe2 d4 14.Nd5 Bxd5 15.Bxd5 Ne3 16.Bxe3 dxe3 17.Rxf4 Nc6
18.Qh5 Qxb2?? 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Qxh7+ 1-0

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Post by Gary Kenworthy » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:02 am

Hi Leonard -- it is Alexander in Alexander v Buerger Margate 1937 -- as in Thimann's Kings Gambit (nottingham press) - from reading it 40 years ago. Don't have the book now.
Hardly have a book left for reference nowadays. I did have over 3000 books and 3000 magazines once. I stand corrected, I did mix games with players.
I do also recognise the Milner-Barry game as well. Which is different. Keres did indeed play many such gambits white and black. Shows also Milner-Barry as a top class player.
Shows also what these players could have been like if it was not for WWII. They lost their best years. Keres could have been World Champion. He was unlucky at AVRO 1938. But, Keres was lucky to be alive in 1948. (takes his score against Botvinnik out and then the re-review the crosstable). Whilst the English players lost their best years for an even greater cause. (see other threads).

Still Silverman was an MP and he certainly could play. (this thread).

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Re: Strongest chess-playing politicians?

Post by Gerard Killoran » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:22 am

Angela and Maria Eagle with what looks like a Queen's Gambit on the board.

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Post by David Robertson » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:45 am

Headline on the left is prescient ;-)

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Post by Gerard Killoran » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:40 pm

Unfortunately there’s no hidden message in this one...

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Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:45 pm

Almost an eerie report.

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Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:14 pm

It seems they were never out of the newspapers.

Can you spot another friend of the forum in this one?


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Re: Strongest chess-playing politicians?

Post by David Robertson » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:02 pm

Rodney!! :lol:

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Re: Strongest chess-playing politicians?

Post by Stewart Reuben » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:46 am

Dr now Lord Evan Harris was about 170-180 strength.

Leoanrd > Viktorija Cmilyte, member of the Lithuanian parliament, currently rated 2536, twice Lithuanian champion against men, holder of the GM title at men's level,<

There is no GM title at men's level. There is the GM title which can be gained by people of any gender and any age.
The top 100 FIDE Rated women currently active include about 20 GMs. There is no Men's GM title. no Men's Olympiad, no Men's World Chess Championship.

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Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:08 am

Stewart Reuben wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:46 am
Dr now Lord Evan Harris was about 170-180 strength.

Leoanrd > Viktorija Cmilyte, member of the Lithuanian parliament, currently rated 2536, twice Lithuanian champion against men, holder of the GM title at men's level,<

There is no GM title at men's level. There is the GM title which can be gained by people of any gender and any age.
The top 100 FIDE Rated women currently active include about 20 GMs. There is no Men's GM title. no Men's Olympiad, no Men's World Chess Championship.
However, there are Lords. Dr Evan Harris is not one of them.

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