when should you resign a game?

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Ian Lamb » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:54 pm

well alex this is a young child not knowing the basic rules of chess it seems so a diffrent situation.then not wrting moves down on move10!

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:45 pm

Ian Lamb wrote:Mick you should of told him he must record the moves its part of the game he needs to be told for next time it occurs.otherwise he never learn and always do this.especailly if its move 10 and the game just started ok if he got just 5 min left on his clock then we know that he does not have to write the moves down.
Not worried in the summer league really - we had 5 of us squeezed in a row at Salford Univ and the guy on the next board was calculating out loud all match!
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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Ian Lamb » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:51 pm

i know who it is at salford as well I ask him in a game of mine to write the moves down i had same problem but he said he was dyletcic and he could not write the moves down at all so i just left it after that is this a valid excuse? did you win the game mick? iam sure you did. yes the guy at salford always been like that he getting old these days but it is annoying for thinking during the game.

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Alex McFarlane » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:59 pm

The last paragraph of 8.1 (July 2009 Laws of Chess)
"If a player is unable to keep score, an assistant, who must be acceptable to the arbiter, may be provided by the player to write down the moves. His clock shall be adjusted by the arbiter in an equitable way."

An equitable way would normally be the reduction of his time allocation by a few minutes.

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:02 pm

Alex McFarlane wrote:The last paragraph of 8.1 (July 2009 Laws of Chess)
"If a player is unable to keep score, an assistant, who must be acceptable to the arbiter, may be provided by the player to write down the moves. His clock shall be adjusted by the arbiter in an equitable way."

An equitable way would normally be the reduction of his time allocation by a few minutes.
Isn't there a rule about not writing down in the last 5 minutes?

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:40 pm

Mick Norris wrote:I once resigned in a won position, so I've tried not to resign much since
That's nothing. I once resigned by accident. Thought I'd been mated and stopped the clocks. Turned out it wasn't mate.

Not my finest hour.

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:52 pm

And what an hour it was
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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:06 pm

JustinHorton wrote:And what an hour it was
Well someone got a couple of blog posts out of it at least :)

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:11 pm

It does at least demonstrate a possible flaw in the theory that rather than resign one should play on until mate...
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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:31 pm

That's nothing. I once resigned by accident. Thought I'd been mated and stopped the clocks. Turned out it wasn't mate.

Not my finest hour.
Now this sounds interesting. Any chance you can PM me the game?

Geoff

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:40 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
That's nothing. I once resigned by accident. Thought I'd been mated and stopped the clocks. Turned out it wasn't mate.

Not my finest hour.
Now this sounds interesting. Any chance you can PM me the game?

Geoff

Would be happy to Geoff but I don't think I'd have the scoresheet anywhere. We blogged it a while back but I can't find it on our site at the moment. Justin do you remember when you did it? I thought it was a What happened next? but apparently not.

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by John Hickman » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:33 pm

Ok then, lets get this one off my chest :oops:

After White played Nc2+, forking my King and Queen, I resigned immediately. As i was going through the post game scoresheet signing, something caught my eye about the position. Something I wasn't even sure my opponent had noticed (elated as he was by his point). What's even worse, Nc2+ is a losing blunder.

Ah well, I think I learnt something here that's earned my point back in the long run :)

[Event "Monarch Assurance 8th"]
[Site "Port Erin"]
[Date "1999.11.06"]
[Round "1"]
[White "McLeod, Fraser"]
[Black "Hickman, John"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B07"]
[BlackElo "2125"]
[PlyCount "71"]
[EventDate "1999.11.06"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2000.02.01"]

1. d4 d6 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 c6 4. f4 Qa5 5. Bd3 e5 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. fxe5 dxe5 8.
dxe5 Nfd7 9. Bf4 Be7 10. O-O Qb6+ 11. Kh1 Qxb2 12. Qe1 Nc5 13. Bd2 Qb6 14. Qg3
h5 15. Ng5 f6 16. exf6 gxf6 17. Nh3 Nbd7 18. Rab1 Qd8 19. Bf4 Rg8 20. Bc4 Be6
21. Qxg8+ Bxg8 22. Bxg8 Qa5 23. Rf3 O-O-O 24. Bf7 Na4 25. Ne2 Ne5 26. Rfb3 Nxf7
27. Rxb7 Rd1+ 28. Rxd1 Kxb7 29. Rd7+ Ka6 30. Rxe7 Ne5 31. Re6 Qe1+ 32. Nhg1 Ng4
33. Rxc6+ Kb5 34. Nd4+ Kb4 35. c3+ Ka3 36. Nc2+ 1-0

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:02 pm

I take it the "killer" is 36........Kb2 then :D
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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:23 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
That's nothing. I once resigned by accident. Thought I'd been mated and stopped the clocks. Turned out it wasn't mate.

Not my finest hour.
Now this sounds interesting. Any chance you can PM me the game?

Geoff

Justin found it:-

http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... o-iii.html

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Re: when should you resign a game?

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:29 pm

In fact two pieces:

question

answer
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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