If I typed 2016 it was just a misprint I failed to spot. All references were to the September 2018 (pre-Olympiad) manual. I don't think there is a more recent one. It can be downloaded from http://arbiters.fide.com/Stewart Reuben wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:11 pm..
Tim. Why are you referring to the 2016 Arbiters' Manual? There is a 2018 one. The Arbiters' Manual is not Law. It is just suggestions. Naturally there are mistakes. I did check the 2018 edition prior to publication. Even so, I expect there are errors. I think I did not get to check the 2016 edition.
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A player forgets to press his clock. His captain is behind him, and touches the shoulder of him. The opponent stops the clock and calls the arbiter. What has to be done?
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Warn the captain not to do things that could be considered advice. If he's a non-playing captain, you could ask him to leave the playing area.soheil_hooshdaran wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:15 pmA player forgets to press his clock. His captain is behind him, and touches the shoulder of him. The opponent stops the clock and calls the arbiter. What has to be done?
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In local league chess there is never going to be an arbiter. In fact, in the Portsmouth and District League I play in, there is the following paragraph in the league rules:
Where the Laws refer to the arbiter, the team captains shall jointly perform the role of the arbiter. If the team captains cannot
agree, they should refer the matter to the controller of the event.
Where the Laws refer to the arbiter, the team captains shall jointly perform the role of the arbiter. If the team captains cannot
agree, they should refer the matter to the controller of the event.
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So there is an arbiter, albeit in an unsatisfactory two-headed form. In my opinion, adopting the version of the Laws which applies in the absence of an arbiter works better.Ted Black wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 amIn local league chess there is never going to be an arbiter. In fact, in the Portsmouth and District League I play in, there is the following paragraph in the league rules:
Where the Laws refer to the arbiter, the team captains shall jointly perform the role of the arbiter.
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What's the rule for his absence? Where is it?
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The rules cannot possibly cover every eventuality, so I believe discretion and common sense is the order of the day.
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PREFACE (to theFIDE Laws of Chess)
The Laws of Chess cannot cover all possible situations that may arise during a game, nor can they regulate all administrative questions. Where cases are not precisely regulated by an Article of the Laws, it should be possible to reach a correct decision by studying analogous situations which are regulated in the Laws.
The Laws assume that arbiters have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding a solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FIDE appeals to all chess players and federations to accept this view.
The Laws assume the presence of an arbiter, at least in the venue, or preferably playing area. The only exception is Guidline III.6. and I don't think Soheil was referring to quickplay finishes. That guideline was written by the late Richard Furness and David Welch as there are a large number of league games in England played without an arbiter being present.
The Laws of Chess cannot cover all possible situations that may arise during a game, nor can they regulate all administrative questions. Where cases are not precisely regulated by an Article of the Laws, it should be possible to reach a correct decision by studying analogous situations which are regulated in the Laws.
The Laws assume that arbiters have the necessary competence, sound judgement and absolute objectivity. Too detailed a rule might deprive the arbiter of his freedom of judgement and thus prevent him from finding a solution to a problem dictated by fairness, logic and special factors. FIDE appeals to all chess players and federations to accept this view.
The Laws assume the presence of an arbiter, at least in the venue, or preferably playing area. The only exception is Guidline III.6. and I don't think Soheil was referring to quickplay finishes. That guideline was written by the late Richard Furness and David Welch as there are a large number of league games in England played without an arbiter being present.
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...and, even more to the point, where digital clocks are not used or not trusted.Stewart Reuben wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:19 pmas there are a large number of league games in England played without an arbiter being present.
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What would be the ruling for a player who recorded White move for black and vice versa?
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Nick you are quite right about digital clocks - particularly in the London League.
Soheil >What would be the ruling for a player who recorded White move for black and vice versa?,
I don't understand, Do you mean put them down in the wrong columns? If so, that is not a problem. After all, semitic countries write from right to left. Just change the headings of the columns.
if you mean that the player of the White pieces recorded Black's moves and Black recorded White. Then I might consult a local psychologist.
But you may mean something else.
Soheil >What would be the ruling for a player who recorded White move for black and vice versa?,
I don't understand, Do you mean put them down in the wrong columns? If so, that is not a problem. After all, semitic countries write from right to left. Just change the headings of the columns.
if you mean that the player of the White pieces recorded Black's moves and Black recorded White. Then I might consult a local psychologist.
But you may mean something else.
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NoStewart Reuben wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:54 pm
Soheil >What would be the ruling for a player who recorded White move for black and vice versa?,
I don't understand, Do you mean put them down in the wrong columns? If so, that is not a problem. After all, semitic countries write from right to left. Just change the headings of the columns.
if you mean that the player of the White pieces recorded Black's moves and Black recorded White. Then I might consult a local psychologist.
But you may mean something else.
One player who also recorded moves of both players, recorded them in wrong column from a certain move for the next some 20 moves, not from the start.
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So he made a small mistake. i see no problem as I wrote already.
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Thanks
In a weakender, a player claims a clock bottoms have problems being pressed and released after having been flagged. His claim turns out to be right.
What would be the ruling? And when can a player claim? Within 10 moves or what?
In a weakender, a player claims a clock bottoms have problems being pressed and released after having been flagged. His claim turns out to be right.
What would be the ruling? And when can a player claim? Within 10 moves or what?
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Soheil,
I presume you mean clock buttons.
He had to make his complaint DURING the game. I presume the arbiter did not notice any problems. 6.10.1 is the relevant article.
I hope the clock was investigated and, if defective, replaced.
I presume you mean clock buttons.
He had to make his complaint DURING the game. I presume the arbiter did not notice any problems. 6.10.1 is the relevant article.
I hope the clock was investigated and, if defective, replaced.